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Posted by wonger_ 8/31/2025

My phone is an ereader now(www.davepagurek.com)
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swores 8/31/2025|
> "why would it format "city Hall" with just one capital? Commit to capitals or no capitals, don't do this awkward mix!"

I don't have a great solution but I suspect I do know the cause of this on iPhones, which I'll mention for anyone else curious:

I'd bet that he has a contact saved called Something Hall, and the autocorrect isn't clever enough to realise that he isn't typing the name of that contact and just automatically capitalises the H. (It's not 100% of the time, but it is ridiculously often that it wrongly assumes you're using the name from a contact, in my experience.)

I wish there was a way to turn this off, but afaik there isn't - I've removed or edited a contact's surname for a few words that I type as non-name nouns often enough that it got annoying.

Of course I might be wrong, maybe there are other causes for incorrect capitals.

andai 4 days ago||
I don't have a contact called University but it always capitalizes it.

It probably appears that way most frequently in the text the predictive model was trained on.

lucasban 8/31/2025||
On a related note, I have a Korean friend who’s name sounds similar to a floor number in the parking garage I use. When I use Siri or VTT to record where I parked, I often end up with his name instead.
BonitaPersona 9/1/2025||
Thinking of a possible example of that in spanish, I ended up with "Juan Fortín", 114.
colingauvin 8/31/2025||
I picked up one of these and have been having a number of issues, but have somehow managed to stick with it and my life is much improved as a result. Device usage has been much, much more intentional. I wouldn't say I'm cured of my scrolling addiction, but the time I spend scrolling has been relegated to just the latest hours of the night, and even then, significantly less.

The trick about this phone is that because it is full fat Android, everything is possible. But because it is low refresh rate black and white screen with a physical keyboard, everything is also a pain in the ass. Rather than hear a chat message notification and immediately get the urge to pull out my phone and engage, I actually now get slightly annoyed because typing out a proper response with proper grammar is going to be a pain in the ass.

The company is pretty lousy and doesn't communicate well. They have missed every single deadline they've ever set for themselves. The software is glitchy but usable (I have all the same issues mentioned in the article with the autocorrect, refresh settings, fingerprint, etc). All those things are fixable and hopefully do.

The phone itself is very weak hardware and the screen protector and case still haven't shipped. I had my phone in my back pocket and it did not survive that, I got two cracks along the edge and a slight bend. Still works though, but I have switched it to my front pocket.

Android Auto works great in both my vehicles, so maps/navigation are not an issue. Bitwarden works. Duo auth works. Banking apps work. Roon works. Podcasts work. Things that I need, that other dumb phones can't provide.

But the critical thing is, I am trying to avoid using the phone because it is just a pain in the ass to do things on. For this, honestly, I'd pay 10x the list price because it has given me so much of my life back. I actually had a mini crisis when I realized I was bored, with nothing to do in the evenings after work, because I had so much time back. (Don't worry, channeling that time into productive hobbies now).

I would highly highly highly recommend this if you want to spend less time on your phone but need certain functions a smartphone provides.

jama211 8/31/2025||
We live in a strange world when people are intentionally making their devices worse to use to try and discourage themselves from using them
colingauvin 8/31/2025|||
It started when I had my first kid and he wouldn't sleep and I would lay there awake all night just thinking of all the stressors in my life. I'd use the phone to distract myself. Then that gradually just turned into a crutch for all stress. That was pretty hard to stop.

I've tried a number of different things but nothing stuck. I've had this phone for a few months now and it has really done the trick.

rpdillon 8/31/2025|||
This is a a microcosm of so much addiction, at least in my experience. Friction really matters in giving your mind a moment to pause and consider. I think adding friction by getting a less capable phone is a great technique, similarly to how I'd hide the candy/alcohol/TV remotes if folks in the house are addicted. It doesn't remove the opportunity, but it makes it tougher.
solaire_oa 8/31/2025|||
This happened for me as well. It adds insult to injury that lying awake, unable to sleep properly for months straight, doomscrolling (or just being online too much) further saps your mental health in an already drained and depressed state.

It's a pretty messed up negative feedback loop. If you find yourself in this state, audiobooks are a good alternative.

LeifCarrotson 8/31/2025||||
It's like candy - so tasty that you can't stop eating it until you're diabetic and obese. People will absolutely structure their diets to make them "worse" (less tasty) because they want, at a higher level than their taste buds want sugar, to stay healthy.

A trillion dollar industry exists to profit off of gluing eyeballs to screens. Making the device other than what this industry designed it to be is not self-sabotage, it's self-interested!

Read "Supernormal Stimuli" by Barrett for some other examples of this phenomenon.

gyomu 8/31/2025|||
Yep, exactly this. If I have anything with sugar in the house, it'll get consumed in 24-48h. The solution is to just not have anything with sugar in the house.

If I want to splurge with a chocolate or ice cream bar, I take a walk to my corner store and buy just one, and eat it right away. It's extremely cost inefficient compared to if I bought a gallon of ice cream from the store, but that's not what I'm optimizing for here.

mapontosevenths 8/31/2025|||
I've been using an nfc card based thing called brick to add friction and halt doomscrolling.

Essentially I use my normal phone, but lock specific apps. To unlock those apps I must scan the nfc card I keep in my car. That means getting up and going outside.

That tiny bit of added friction has cut my screentime in half and made me more productive, and less stressed.

There are other devices like it now, for example Bloom.

matthewfcarlson 8/31/2025||||
Individuals are going up against corporations spending millions if not billions on R&D to figure out how to make their products “stickier” or habit forming. Can you blame people for pursuing more aggressive approaches to try and reset their habits?
jama211 8/31/2025||
I mean, whatever works man. That bean knitting app is kinda neat too
ikr678 9/1/2025||||
Adding/reducing friction is a reliable way to change behaviour, and the companies know this too.

I dont save my card details to prefill, I don't use nfc payments and I keep a low balance in the transaction account my debit card, in order to be more intentional about my spending.

numpad0 8/31/2025|||
Is this common behavior with other addictive substances? e.g. mixing bitterants trying to weaken own addiction?

wait a minute, from behavioral science perspectives, does it work as intended, or does it work against the aim?

halgir 8/31/2025||
Apropos mixing bitterants, it's quite common to apply a bitter nail varnish to help people stop biting their nails. Not an addictive substance, but an addictive behavior.
grim_io 8/31/2025|||
This self-sabotage of self-sabotage is not something I can do.

My brain has too much agency for its own good. It would not let itself be constrained in its pursuit of scrolling bliss.

metaphor 8/31/2025|||
> The company is pretty lousy and doesn't communicate well. They have missed every single deadline they've ever set for themselves.

THIS...BUYER BEWARE!

Raise your hand if you're one of the first thousand Indiegogo campaign backers and still haven't received your order.

smusamashah 8/31/2025||
Can you browse HN on it? If you do, would you do it with a client or with plain old browser?
colingauvin 8/31/2025||
It's doable in the web browser. Clicking small links is annoying and makes it much more self limiting after a number of mis-clicks.
walthamstow 8/31/2025||
I really enjoy these posts where people use new or weird devices in their lives to see how they fit. That said, this is missing one crucial piece of information: the price. The Minimal Phone is 399 USD for 128GB/6GB and 499 for 256GB/8GB.
chmod775 8/31/2025|
In world where you can get both a proper phone and an e-reader with better specs for less, the market for that kind of product isn't large. Though there's probably a decent overlap with the HN crowd, who thinks its neat and can afford to throw away money on something that will collect dust in a drawer a week later.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 8/31/2025||
Better specs should fit a specific use case. Now, I get that everyone gets excited for various specs ( in TVs, it was a simple 'biggest size possible' ). And it does not help that advertising effectively subsidizes lower price, and effective monopoly further locks users into 'better specs' stuff.

Admittedly, I do have things that are collecting dust ( pinephone being one of the bigger disappointments thus far ), but without HN crowd testing those alternatives, non-HN crowd wouldn't even know firefox existed and now we would likely all be living in IE salt mines.

y-curious 8/31/2025||
I was far from sold. The entire article feels more like a lifestyle challenge on YouTube than a convincing life change.

The author makes great sacrifices to make the phone work in his life. He mentions: - The phone needs to be put in his pocket a certain way or it takes input - The phone loses keypresses when typing quickly - It can only render readable Google maps when set to the slowest setting - The phone forgets your fingerprint and requires pin, which suffers from dropped inputs

The author brings up the point that 2 developers work on the phone. The author doesn't mention, but I think should mention, that this phone WILL have vulnerabilities not found on flagship phones. Anyone security minded is going to be lost here.

Overall, I want a phone like this, but the sacrifices are way too numerous to justify it.

nesk_ 8/31/2025||
I've been searching for dumb phones these last weeks to avoid using my phone too much. But it comes with issues:

- my bank requires a smartphone

- whatsapp desktop requires a smartphone too

This smartphone could be an alternative: no videos, you can still use third party applications, perfect for reading.

Thank you for sharing!

nottorp 8/31/2025||
Have you tried turning off all notifications on your existing phone?

From the original article: "I feel like the vibration on the phone is a tad aggressive. Not every vibration is, though—Facebook Messenger notifications feel like the right level. ".

It looks like the article author makes the same mistake. Changed the device but kept the notifications on.

nesk_ 8/31/2025||
Notifications aren't the culprit, they're already really limited on my phone.

I also appreciate the fact that I could use a simpler phone that really fits the original need: staying in contact, instead of doom-scrolling.

CharlesW 8/31/2025||
No one thing is the culprit, but notifications are one of the biggest. Surely Android has similar capabilities, but on iPhone "Reduce Notifications" (uses AI to silence unimportant/time-insensitive notifications) and Focus Modes in general are a great way to manage distraction.
nottorp 8/31/2025||
No, the idea is to turn them all off and make phone checking a conscious act instead of notification induced.

Whoever needs you now can call on voice.

flkiwi 8/31/2025|||
What makes that difficult is when you have a legitimate case for time-sensitive notifications and the app owner mixes in marketing spam with no way to disable them. It's either accept marketing spam OR lose a valuable notification. Looking at you, LG.
theshackleford 8/31/2025|||
I leave notifications on because o only use them for things I need to be notified about. Largely, medical stuff.
coffeefirst 8/31/2025|||
Right. I also need 1Password, full access to docs and notes while traveling, and the list starts to go on.

Ultimately, technologists with cash to burn buying limited devices doesn’t actually address the big problem. What we really want is for mainstream devices to be less frenetic.

dotancohen 8/31/2025|||

  > whatsapp desktop requires a smartphone too
Just so you know, I don't use WhatsApp and find that today, everyone knows Telegram and many already have it installed. Moving to Telegram is completely feasible.

The Telegram desktop app does not require an active smartphone.

jonathantf2 8/31/2025|||
not in Europe - everybody uses WA here, work group chats, friends, parents, etc. My dad sometimes uses iMessage because he can’t see the difference between the icons but apart from that you’d get strange looks if you mentioned Telegram/Signal etc
AlexeyBelov 9/2/2025||
Depends on where in Europe :)

Some parts use Telegram by and large.

nesk_ 8/31/2025|||
I totally agree with you, but asking my friends to move to Telegram isn't easy. And multiplying the channels is a complex thing. Nowadays I have iMessage, Messenger, WhatsApp—I deliberately omit Slack and Discord—and sometimes I wonder "where is the discussion with friend X?"
walthamstow 8/31/2025|||
The WhatsApp thing can be worked around now. If you have one compliant device logged into WhatsApp as the main device, you can access that account and messages from any other device, including smartphones. I have a WhatsApp device that just stays at home.
nesk_ 8/31/2025||
But you need two devices, and this seems overkill. Without this limitation you could have only one phone.
Egrodo 8/31/2025|||
On Whatsapp web you can now log in with your phone number via a 2fac text, no camera required.
nesk_ 8/31/2025||
That's good to know, but you still need a smartphone to handle the connection. Having a dumb phone wouldn't work, if I properly understand how this works.
carlosjobim 8/31/2025||
You are allowed to have more than one phone.
nesk_ 8/31/2025||
You're right, but I don't appreciate to be enforced to.
carlosjobim 8/31/2025||
Who is forcing you to do anything? You can do what you please.
nesk_ 8/31/2025||
If I want a dumb phone for my daily needs, I have to keep a smartphone at home to stay in contact with my friends that are using Whatsapp. I don't really feel free here.
southernplaces7 9/1/2025|||
Since Whatsapp isn't a public utility, the people who designed it are free to make it for a certain type of device, with a so-called smart screen. That you feel oppressed because they didn't cater to your very specific need to have it work on a button phone is pretty weird. "feeling free" isn't about having any random whimsy catered to. It requires realistic adjustment to the world of others and their efforts.
carlosjobim 8/31/2025|||
Seems like you are very oppressed no matter what. If you want to eat some yoghurt, but have to use a spoon to not get it on your hands, I assume you're oppressed as well.
marticode 8/31/2025||
Reminds me of that phone that had a regular screen on one side and e-ink on the other side. Maybe someone should make a foldable where the outside screen is an e-ink and the inside a regular foldable OLED.
chossenger 8/31/2025|
YotaPhone? Looks like the went bankrupt in 2019, unfortunately. I was always intrigued by them.
dddw 9/2/2025||
Hisense A6 came out with that idea too not superlong ago
jbstack 8/31/2025||
The keyboard is a huge negative for me. Why would I want a significant chunk of my screen space taken up by a keyboard on a device that I'm aiming to use primarily for reading?
mft_ 8/31/2025||
I wonder if there’s a technical reason making an on-screen keyboard difficult? For sure, typing on my Kindle is pretty slow and imprecise, and wouldn’t come close to acceptable on a phone.

Also, there are phone-shaped e-readers if that’s your bent; check out the Boox Palma.

floundy 8/31/2025|||
Typing on the Palma's screen sucks due to the input delay. At least if you have fat fingers like me and prone to making typos on touchscreen devices.

Typing on the Palma with a BT keyboard, however, is an absolute joy.

suthakamal 8/31/2025|||
my guess - e ink refresh rates / ghosting suck and it would be hellish hard to get an on screen keyboard with an e ink display to get anywhere the typing speed a modern touchscreen can deliver.
cornichon622 9/1/2025||
The article actually mentions that:

"I really appreciate them including the keyboard here, as the display looks great but is definitely not all that responsive, so typing would be a lot more frustrating without this."

I don't know how much the fast refresh rate mode helps in that regard.

wkat4242 8/31/2025|||
I guess it aims at the blackberry passport types. There's a lot of people still missing that one
afandian 8/31/2025|||
We exist and have been unhappy with our iPhones ever since our BlackBerries died. Seriously. This thing makes me feel so clumsy.
wkat4242 8/31/2025||
Yeah I think I would have liked one too. It's just that when the passport came out, blackberry OS was already on its way out so I didn't buy it
afandian 8/31/2025||
You missed out! The Passport was an excellent phone. Great hardware and the OS was nice. And the KeyOne (android) was probably my favourite phone ever.
swores 8/31/2025||
Had you used any BlackBerry phones before it? In my opinion the Passport was considerably better than other BlackBerry phones from the couple of years before it, but it was so much worse than the older BlackBerries were (at least in the context of what was available at the time) so much better that people who had used BBs for years found the Passport frustratingly bad in comparison.
rchaud 8/31/2025|||
Yep, I had several Blackberrys and hated the Passport's weird, ramrod-straight 3 rows of keys. Much less ergonomic to type on than the slightly curved 4-row setup on the Bold 9000 (2008), which they never reproduced on future models.
ipcress_file 8/31/2025||||
Hi there, I had several BlackBerry phones, including a Passport SE.

For productivity apps, nothing compared with the Bold 9900. So snappy and minimalistic. The memos, calendar, messaging and the like were great.

As far as BB10 devices go, the Passport had the screen real estate, but the Q10 was way more pocketable. So I found the Passport awkward to deal with when on the move. I still have all of them. Who knows what to do with functional old tech?

afandian 8/31/2025||||
Not seriously no. I had an HTC Desire Z before that (exceptional hardware design with a snap open landscape keyboard).

The Passport keyboard had an ortholinear shape. Together with the overall form factor, I can see how people may have found it a bit form over function. But I loved it.

wkat4242 9/1/2025||
Hmm I had the HTC Touch Pro 2 and it was the worst phone I ever had in my life. It was given me by work, I didn't pick it. It ran a customised version of Windows CE with a lot of super fake glossy overlays that slowed it down to an absolute crawl, and the keyboard was so tough and heavy that it was a nightmare to use. It was really a piece of shit. It also had a really horrible resistive touch screen (one of those with a plastic layer over it)

Maybe they made good stuff too but that put me off HTC forever.

wowczarek 8/31/2025|||
Many people swear by the Passport, but the BB Classic in easily topped it my opinion. The best phone keyboard ever made and the phone itself could serve as a blunt weapon if it came to it.
afandian 8/31/2025||
You can argue many of these points either way. But, objectively, the Passport had a robust stainless steel frame, which was exposed at the edges.
wowczarek 8/31/2025|||
It amazes me (and that's on the account of me getting older) how people not immediately associate it with the a BB phone. I remember complaining at how BlackBerry 10 took away lots of usability tricks and keyboard shortcuts the classic BlackBerry OS had, and also how laughable it was that the original iPhone didn't even support copying and pasting on release. Oh how things have changed.
the_real_cher 8/31/2025|||
Huge selling point for me. I prefer a manual keyboard.
jbstack 8/31/2025||
Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising manual keyboards in general. Just specifically on a device for which your primary purpose will be reading (which is what the OP's article is about). If I'm going to be mainly reading on the device then I want as big a screen as possible.
sdenton4 8/31/2025|||
I get the sense that they're not using it only as a reader, but as a general smartphone replacement, where for the most part the reduced capability set rhymes with better living.
rchaud 8/31/2025|||
Reading can also include commenting, such as on The Verge article that's pictured, or on this very site.
toast0 8/31/2025||
I've got a Kindle Keyboard, and it's nice because I can input words at reasonable speed and don't need to touch the screen and get it fingerprinty. Kindles with the five-way button were a pain to input words into, but the page turn buttons were nice.
dandelionv1bes 8/31/2025||
Great post, thanks to you I’ve realised I use the “how much am I reading” to how burnt out am I proxy.

Quite tempted by the phone, but predominately a physical book reader.

boomskats 8/31/2025||
Wait, so this thing actually shipped? To real users? I remember looking into it and concluding that it'd probably be vapeware, given the aggressive pre-release marketing and the founder's track record.

If it's a real device then that's awesome! If it wasn't for Zinwa I'd probably be getting one.

netfortius 8/31/2025|
For me it's not an either-or scenario. I use my Kindle when I'm bed, my Calibre e-reader (or preview, if pdf) on my MBP, and Moonreader+ on my Android phone. I'd say the ratio of usage goes like 10-15% for the Kindle, 25-35% MBP, and the majority of time Moonreader. I wish I could find a way to sync book status and highlights across the three platforms, but...
johnjeremy 8/31/2025|
Koreader my friend
TiredOfLife 8/31/2025||
I have tried Koreader multiple times. They somehow have made CoolReader that was pleasant to use on an eink device 16 years ago, painful to use on a modern much faster device.
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