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Posted by jger15 9/4/2025

Almost anything you give sustained attention to will begin to loop on itself(www.henrikkarlsson.xyz)
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lisper 9/4/2025|
> In Spanish, you “lend” attention. In Swedish, you “are” attention.

In Hebrew you "place [your] heart" (lasim lev).

CGMthrowaway 9/4/2025||
In Japanese (注意を払う), you pay attention, much like in English. However, the verb 払う also means "to sweep away" or "to clear" suggesting a sense of effort or focus in clearing distractions to direct attention

In Korean 신경 쓰다 literally means "to use nerves." The idea of investing mental energy into something

In Finnish, you fasten or attach attention (kiinnittaa huomiota)

anticensor 9/4/2025||
In Turkish, you give attention, expending your mental capability.
ssttoo 9/4/2025|||
Ha, I was just recently thinking about what you do with attention in different languages. In my native Bulgarian (обръщам внимание) you “turn” your attention as in you “direct” it. Same word for when you turn a page. Like you have but a single attention and it’s up to you where you direct it.

In French (correct me if I’m wrong) you “make” attention, « faire attention ». Like there’s unlimited amount of attention and you can always make more.

WA 9/4/2025|||
In German, you "direct" attention at something or "gift" attention to someone.
lisper 9/4/2025|||
What German phrase did you have in mind? Because the idiomatic translation of "to pay attention" is "aufpassen", which literally translates to something like "pass on" or "fit on".
fainpul 9/4/2025|||
You can't rip apart that word into "auf" and "passen" and then individually translate them literally. The result seems nonsensical. I would say "aufpassen" is literally "be attentive" / "be watchful".

Edit: "to pay attention" is literally "Aufmerksamkeit zollen"

lisper 9/4/2025||
> You can't rip apart that word into "auf" and "passen" and then individually translate them literally.

Sure, just like you can't separate "pay attention". Both are idiomatic. But you can separate "aufpassen" into "Paß auf". (For the benefit of non-German lurkers, "Paß auf" is a command to pay attention.)

1718627440 9/4/2025||||
I would translate "aufpassen" more with "to attend" or "to watch over".

The literal analogue to "pass on" or "fit on" is "anpassen"; "auf" generally means "over", "on/to the top of".

epaga 9/4/2025|||
"jemandem Aufmerksamkeit schenken", "Aufmerksamkeit auf etwas richten"
layer8 9/4/2025|||
In German, you “give eight”. ;)
throw-qqqqq 9/4/2025||
This made me laugh :D!
iLemming 9/4/2025|||
In Russian, you "spare" attention by "making" it. The word 'уделять' shares the same root with the word that means - 'deed', 'doing', 'act' or 'affair'.
laurent_du 9/4/2025||
No, it's a different etymological root. A better translation would be to say that you give a share of your attention (делить's meaning is to divide).
iLemming 9/4/2025||
Ah, right. I completely missed the difference between 'делать' and 'делить'.
mrsvanwinkle 9/4/2025|||
Absolutely mind/world-expanding. Thanks for sharing. The Swedish version reminds me of (the now "disgraced" but his Proust book is cool journalist) Lehrer's chapter on Virginia Woolfe in Proust Was a Neuroscientist, where he claims that "attention _is_ consciousness" in Woolf's then-novel stream of consciousness style in To the Lighthouse.
DisruptiveDave 9/4/2025||
This is buddhism and mindfulness in a nutshell. The only thing about your existence that does not change is that which is aware.
saxelsen 9/4/2025|||
In Swedish it's "var uppmärksam" which is more like "be attentive" - same as in English. They just use the adjective form more.
im3w1l 9/4/2025|||
> In Swedish, you “are” attention.

Which phrase would this be?

kakokiyrvoooo 9/5/2025|||
”Vara fokuserad” I think. Or ”vara koncentrerad”. Maybe ”uppmärksam” is a better translation of the word?

But ”have” attention exists for both of those as well. ”Ha fokus”.

1718627440 9/4/2025|||
If it is similar to german, then it would be that you are attented.
SonOfLilit 9/4/2025|||
Huh, I never placed my heart to it
SonOfLilit 9/4/2025||
Mandarin Chinese: 注意 (zhùyì) - "note/record intention" Spanish: prestar atención - "lend attention" English: pay attention - "give/spend attention" Hindi: ध्यान देना (dhyaan dena) - "give meditation/focus" Arabic: انتبه (intabih) - "be alert/awake" ...

https://pastebin.com/3ghPnjb9

wvlia5 9/4/2025||
Reminds me of https://nadia.xyz/jhanas

I can get psychdelic vision at will being sober (OEVs), mainly looking at grass (with other images it's more difficult). It's produced by sustained attention. It doesn't come with any other psychdelic effect, so it doesn't seem too valuable.

pahool 9/4/2025|
which is linked in the article
palotasb 9/4/2025||
What does "loop on itself" mean in this context? The article repeats it 5 times but I can't find a thesaurus definition, and it's unclear to me if the author means it as a synonym repeat or *self-amplify or something different.
pkdpic 9/4/2025||
My impression was that the author was referring to *self-amplifying like a positive feedback loop.

I agree I would have loved more of a hard / concrete definition oriented approach to the whole piece but everything they were saying really resonated at least in terms of my personal experience. I haven't ever come across a writer focusing on this. It was really unexpected / refreshing. It's already is reshaping little moments in my day like hugging my son just now. Very unexpected transcendental value for an HN skim while ignoring a boring zoom standup. The truth is out there.

oasisbob 9/4/2025|||
Mentioning this and "hot" in the same sentence put me in a very Marshall McLuhan context.

Personal computing and the growth of the internet are an example of something looping. They reinforce and amplify each other's impact and value.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrad_of_media_effects

bwfan123 9/4/2025|||
> What does "loop on itself" mean in this context?

What it means is understood by looking at its converse - panic attack. Wherein, anxiety stirs some negative thoughts which stirs even more anxiety which stirs more negativity and so on until the system seizes - or that has been my understanding of it.

Here, positivity feeds joy which feeds more positivity etc..

nartho 9/4/2025|||
I understood as self-amplify, like a feedback loop
hammock 9/4/2025|||
He’s talking about spiraling or virtuous/vicious cycles, as relates to your hormones.
bobbylarrybobby 9/4/2025||
Case in point
mock-possum 9/4/2025||
The quote about the trip to the beach, and his description of his reverie during the musical performance are familiar to me - those are psychedelic experiences.

You could drop acid and take a walk on the beach and see the ocean that way and feel those things and cry about it. You could get stoned and put on your favorite album and slip into a vivid daydream, directed by the music as a soundtrack.

ericmcer 9/4/2025|
I wouldn't call them psychedelic per se, or even really a "Jhana" requiring deep concentration. Feeling joy as a result of focusing on something beautiful/interesting is just a fundamental part of being human.

I agree with the author that intense focus can make something more mundane feel special, like intensely focusing on the act of eating an apple, but being moved by walking on a beautiful beach in the evening seems almost expected?

I did do mushrooms frequently at a young age (like a couple times a month from 16-18) so maybe that tweaked something in my brain, but I feel like I slip in "Jhana" all the goddamn time haha. I was tearing up staring at the trees blowing outside while waiting for my dentist a couple days ago.

Arch-TK 9/4/2025||
I don't know about this. Paying attention to how your anxiety feels is a powerful way of noticing that it is just an experience like all other experience and there is a great freedom in realizing that you are not the anxiety, you are merely experiencing anxiety.

I don't think I've ever gotten a panic attack from paying attention to anxiety.

ehnto 9/5/2025|
It's an interesting point, I experience it the same way. Disconnecting the anxiety from the topic you are relating it to is a very powerful tool. If I am feeling anxious, it is not necessarily because of the thing I was thinking about.

Sometimes I started feeling anxious first and then retroactively assigned the topic to it.

In the case that I am ruminating over something that does actually worry me, I can get into a spiral of reinforcing thoughts that increase my anxiety.

Paying attention to the feeling, not the thoughts, lets me break the spiral and attempt to free my thoughts. The feeling can linger for some time though, given its a chemical process to flush it all out from the body. During that period it's more likely I might end up thinking about the topic again so it's precarious still.

Arch-TK 9/5/2025||
Yeah now I read this I think the author doesn't mean paying attention to the anxiety as much as he means reinforcing the anxiety by identifying with whatever thoughts it brings up.

Which definitely doesn't help the anxiety.

gxonatano 7 days ago||
This blog post, and the one it references, on the jhanas[1], belong to this weird genre which is basically in the vein of Buddhist writing, but without more than a passing reference to Buddhism, its scholarly tradition, its terminology, or its taxonomy. Here's Nadia:

> The word jhana comes from Buddhist scriptures, where they were first described. However, as many meditators like to point out, jhanas predate Buddhism. ... I am not a Buddhist, nor would I describe myself as a meditator.

She seems to be taking pains to extract Buddhist techniques from Buddhism, and discuss them independently. Even if these practices predate Buddhism, Buddhism is the system of thought that contextualizes them, and has been developed and enriched over thousands of years, to provide a systematic framework for understanding them. This is especially true of Zen Buddhism—the word "Zen" is even derived from "jhana."

It'd be like if you tried to describe the properties of sulfur dioxide or something, without acknowledging that an entire academic discipline—chemistry—has been doing that for centuries. You don't have to "be a Buddhist" to study Buddhism, any more than you have to be a chemist to study chemistry.

[1]: https://nadia.xyz/jhanas

nomadpenguin 4 days ago|
I think Buddhism still (arguably rightly) doesn't sit entirely well with non-religious Westerners. I have studied with a Zen Sangha and transmitted teachers on and off for a bit and have found their explanations helpful. However, it's absolutely undeniably that the Buddhist cannon is full of batshit insane stuff, just like any other religion. You can write them off as skillful means, but in some ways I think it's more honest to say that you practice meditation with Buddhist characteristics than to say that you're a real Buddhist if you don't have the time of day for spirits and dieties.

Again, this isn't saying that Buddhist modernism is bad. I'd argue that having clear eyes about what parts of Buddhist practice you're willing to take and leave is good.

gxonatano 2 days ago||
> it's absolutely undeniably that the Buddhist cannon is full of batshit insane stuff, just like any other religion

Buddhism is not like Christianity, where the source of truth is a book or a canon, and that the book must be believed in order to subscribe to the belief system. Speaking of Zen, at least, it's one of the foundational tenets that it's "a separate transmission, outside the scriptures." In fact, there's a lot written about how Zen isn't a religion at all, at least not in the Western sense, with beliefs, faith, and doctrines. You don't need to believe anything to be a Zen Buddhist. So even if the "Buddhist cannon" has "batshit insane stuff," who cares? Shakyamuni was a great teacher, but that doesn't mean that he can't be wrong.

> I think it's more honest to say that you practice meditation with Buddhist characteristics than to say that you're a real Buddhist if you don't have the time of day for spirits and deities

You might be under the impression that Buddhism is somehow theistic or dualistic. But the Buddha, for one, outright rejects mind/body dualism, which therefore rejects the possibility of spirits and deities. Some traditions, like Tibetan Buddhism, have tantric practices like deity yoga, which involve visualizing deity-like figures, but even then, there's no presumption that these deities actually exist, in some kind of spirit realm. But even if there were Buddhists who believe in "spirits and dieties," again, who cares? It's not like you have to believe anything to study and practice Buddhism.

My main point is that, if you're writing about meditation, or meditative practices, that either originated with Buddhism or were developed through Buddhism, it's fairly disingenuous to completely divorce it from its context.

causal 9/4/2025||
This article discusses attention in a very immediate sense, but I think most of the points also apply to long-term attention.

Our behaviors are determined by habit far more than anything, willpower is seldom enough to result in behavioral patterns over time. Even things like the career we chose become habit; pivoting from technology to horticulture will not happen if you cannot change your daily habits to go from thinking about technology to thinking about horticulture.

hinkley 9/4/2025||
I feel like software would be a better place if more of us had discovered a sport of some kind early.

Sports understand overtraining. It even means much the same as in AI circles.

The trick isn’t avoiding measurement. The trick is staggering out use if any measurement. Today we are working on speed drills. Tomorrow we work on form. Ans in a couple days we work on endurance. Nobody but software developers are trying to work on their sprinting every goddamned day.

We are the insane ones.

themafia 9/5/2025||
This comes across as manic. It reminds me very much of the types of themes and prose my diagnosed roommate would create.
automatoney 9/5/2025|
The writing feels odd in a sort of off putting way. Maybe too much vividness and a kind of pseudointellectual vibe. Or like a bit egotistical? I don't know if that's what you're getting at, but it's what I was getting from it.
create-username 9/4/2025|
Happiness is the expectation of upcoming good things
kylebenzle 9/4/2025|
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