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Posted by excerionsforte 5 days ago

Apple Debuts iPhone 17(www.apple.com)
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ksec 4 days ago|
It seems strange no one is giving any credit to 17, when it is one of the best value iPhone Apple has to offer for quite some time.

It is either equal to or better than iPhone 16 Pro. A year ago iPhone 16 Pro 256Gb would be $1099, iPhone 17 256GB today is $799, with a better SoC, better WiFi, same display and ProMotion, better screen protective layer. The only thing worst is the lack of Telephoto camera.

tmaly 5 days ago||
At the rate of camera image size upgrades, we are going to need a 5TB icloud storage plan.
Gigachad 5 days ago|
Video has always been the real storage eater. A few minutes of video is larger than the whole years worth of photos.
numpy-thagoras 5 days ago||
Don't forget live photos as well
Gigachad 5 days ago||
Live photos don't use all that much. I went and checked my library and they are all 2-4MB. Which seems to be roughly the same as the non live photos. Vs a 20 second 4k60fps video which was 240MB
musha68k 5 days ago||
Through the last iterations I only ever upgrade my iPhone whenever there is a "meaningful" RAM upgrade in it for me. So this one here is not too bad going from 8GB to 12GB (Air, Pro, Pro Max).
astrange 5 days ago|
You won't notice a difference, RAM upgrades get used by new camera features.

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musha68k 5 days ago||
Unless we get to see someone doing more in-depth profiling we can't know. This should still give more headroom across app usage; especially when not using the camera then and probably even with (it's a 50% increase versus last mem max).
skydhash 5 days ago||
Still no reason to upgrade. My shift from iPhone 8 to iPhone 13 was qualitative. Now much of the barrier to improvement is software, and they’re all gated by Apple.
danieldk 5 days ago||
I think iPhone 17 is the first worthy upgrade to the base model in years, LPTO is a huge upgrade to the aging pre-iPhone 17 screen. The difference between Pro and non-Pro is pretty thin this year. I currently have a 16 Pro, might upgrade, but mostly because models are typically shifted through our family (so everyone gets an upgrade).
kjkjadksj 5 days ago||
What I found with screens going back to an old 1280px macbook screen when the retina was in the shop is that you quickly lose appreciation for quality when you don’t have an example next to you. This is why the Apple Store model is good for sales, you can dangle the new screens on an hdr wallpaper and its clear that it is different to the one you already have. But again, it only became an issue because one day you made it an issue.
danieldk 5 days ago||
I agree. Though I would formulate it a bit differently. You can live fine without HiDPI or >60Hz. But once you have used them for a few days, it's really hard to go back.

Our daughter still has an older iPhone with 60Hz and I cannot look at it. The flickery animations drive me crazy. Yet, I have had iPhones with < 120Hz screens for well over a decade.

kjkjadksj 5 days ago||
I went back pretty easy. The real thing is the pixel viewing distance. At laptop viewing distances I couldn't see the pixels on the low res screen anyhow. The only real noticeable difference was ui text was a little bigger. Refresh rate you stop noticing fast. I personally can't tell when my m3 mbp is on 120hz on the power adapter or 60z on battery, maybe if I hunted for it specifically by scrolling at lightspeed.
raw_anon_1111 5 days ago|||
USB C by itself is enough of a reason to upgrade. I have one set of cords that work everywhere and the iPhone supports all of the standard USB-C standards - video, storage, audio, and networking using the same devices you use on computers.

And MagSafe charging and stands.

NoPicklez 5 days ago||
I don't know if it is enough of a reason, I still use by 12 and charge it and my Airpods all via magsafe which is USB-C

If I don't need to use the lightning port, I don't need to use what would be the USB C port.

I am looking to upgrade to the 17 potentially, but USB-C to me isn't a key factor.

elheffe80 5 days ago||
I am with you- magsafe is great for charging all the things and it is how I charge all my stuff currently. I will say that despite that, moving to USB-C is a big deal for me. As a household of 7 having different cables for everything becomes a chore whereas standardizing on USB-C saves us a ton of headaches. Kids phones need charging? Grab one of our dozens of USB-C cables and one of our many USB bricks and go. For me- it has been a slow climb but I have been slowly moving everything we have over to USB-C. When completed I can put all the other cables (mini usb, micro usb, lightning, that weird usb-3 thing some androids/ext harddrives used, etc) into my old cable foot locker.
ngokevin 5 days ago||
Even an iPhone X was running great in 2025, until it finally gave up to age and the network module stopped working. iPhone 13s are lightning quick for me still.
lazycouchpotato 5 days ago||
256 GB base storage without a price increase is good to see.

Makes the Mac Mini look weird now with 256 GB base storage.

Pretty shameful of Google to stick to 128 GB on the Pixel 10.

_aavaa_ 5 days ago|
The pixel 10 is different trade off. Base pixel is cheaper than base iPhone and has an extra camera, upgrading it to 256 gets you slightly more expensive. And for the pro models it flips with the pixel cheaper even with same storage.
lazycouchpotato 5 days ago||
Base Pixel 10 is the same as iPhone 17 at USD 800.

Yes the Pixel 10 now has telephoto but they nerfed the cameras from the Pixel 9 for that.

In the Pro models for both the pricing is comparable, yeah.

Also realized that Apple charges $200 to jump from 256 GB to 512 GB. That's ridiculous.

hnalien 5 days ago||
So there is no more 'Plus' version? That was the sweet spot for many - non-pro pricing, yet the same large screen as the pro max. RIP
dmix 5 days ago|
HN is always saying Apple has too many models where it's hard to choose and how they should go back to a simple line up.
losvedir 5 days ago||
I'm still on an iPhone 11 and this might finally be the one to get me to upgrade. I don't need the "Pro" stuff, but the ProMotion was always frustratingly only associated with the Pro phones.

That said, I'm sort of frustrated with iOS overall, and sorely tempted to go back to Pixels, so I can't decide.

danieldk 5 days ago||
I have a Pixel 9 to check out where Android is standing and for GrapheneOS. Unfortunately Pixel OS still has pretty bad bugs all the time (oneUI is much more polished, but has other issues) and the Pixel 10 is really overpriced compared to the iPhone 17 (the Pixel 10 is more midrange than a flagship, even though it has a flagship price).
mandeepj 5 days ago|||
> tempted to go back to Pixels

I got my first Pixel (10 Pro XL); Only because their AI integration felt cool. My iPhone 11 Pro is still doing great overall, besides sluggishness here and there, and random Chrome crashes. I might consider upgrading to 17 now due to speed and camera upgrades. Honestly, it was not an exciting upgrade, just like their last 5.

bitpush 5 days ago|||
What kind of frustrations do you have on iOS. Since you've used Pixels, you probably are in a good position to compare.
losvedir 5 days ago||
The notifications are the biggest one. iOS insists on this Banner -> Lock Screen -> Notification Center lifecycle, and it drives me crazy that notifications move from Lock Screen to Notification Center simply by unlocking the phone and then doesn't show Notification Center notifications at a glance. I've missed so many notifications that way, because I quickly unlocked my phone to deal with something, thereby dismissing my current Lock Screen notifications, and then failing to realize that I had some, because when I tap my screen to light it up they don't show up (you have to explicitly swipe up to reveal Notification Center). Beyond that, I really appreciated Android's little top bar that shows the app icons that had notifications so I could quickly see if it was Slack, email, etc, that I had. Finally, Android lets you opt out of "Marketing" notifications at an OS level, while iOS doesn't have that.

Beyond that, I get frequent spam SMS's which are stupid. Android blocks all those. I have a Junk mail folder in email and hardly get email spam anymore. It feels like going back 20 years getting these random spam SMS's.

Finally, "glanceability" doesn't seem as good with the iPhone. One silly little thing is that if I'm using my iPhone it's sometimes very hard to see the date! If you have notifications you have to swipe down quite a bit to reveal that.

ihuman 5 days ago||
The air and the non-pro 17 have ProMotion
losvedir 5 days ago||
Right! That's why I said this might be the one to finally get me, since I'm not interested in Pro, other than ProMotion.
ihuman 5 days ago||
Sorry, I misread your comment and thought you thought it was still exclusive to the pro
Hamuko 5 days ago||
I'm surprised that Apple is giving every single iPhone model 256 GB starting capacity. My prediction would've been 256 GB for the Pro and 128 GB for the base iPhone 17. Guess those AI models need space?
danieldk 5 days ago||
I didn't pay attention for the non-Pro, but for the Pro they 'said' they give you 256GB for the price of last year's 256 GB. So it seems like another step in moving the prices up.

Edit: 16 Pro 128 GB was $999 at introduction iPhone 17 Pro 256 GB is $1099. Better for the non-Pro though - the 16 128 GB was $799, the 17 256 GB is also $799.

wildrhythms 5 days ago||
What AI models?
Hamuko 5 days ago||
The AI models that take up 7 GB of your storage.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/121115

Copernicron 5 days ago||
Every single new iPhone costs more than $1000 in Canada. Even the older/cheaper models cost more than $1000 after tax and environment fees. I knew this day was coming but damn.
linkage 5 days ago|
It's odd that the Air has 4 GB more RAM than the regular 17 even though it's meant to replace the Plus models from previous years (same specs, same difference in price point, etc.)
Hamuko 5 days ago|
The iPhone 17 Air has the Pro SoC in it. It's sort of a in-between model between the base iPhone 17 and the luxury iPhone 17 Pro. Pro performance, base camera.
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