Posted by xyzal 9/11/2025
"If it helps the good guys, I don't see a problem" is easy to say. And if you tell them "yeah but if it helps the good guys, it helps the bad guys", they will simply answer "well, make it such that it doesn't help the bad guys".
If we go by the idea that America should not either, then go ahead and do something about it, all this seems to me is just some weirdly motivated "activism" that may or may not be originated from the source that actually has access to said data at the moment. I am going to go with the belief that people are not naive and instead they are acting maliciously about this knowing very well that this already occurs, but only for a specific side.
See you next time.
And the proposal has not been worse, it’s more crippled with every attempt. Maybe we can’t stop the problem indefinitely, but we can mitigate the harm. Or maybe we can stop it long enough that the people making these proposals are replaced and we eventually win.
Don’t give up. You don’t have to fight along every one else, but if you’re not actively helping, I humbly ask that you also don’t actively make it worse.
"Bad guys" will always find a way around any attempt to stop them communicating privately. And the rest of the population will be left with governments spying on all of our interactions. The fact that this is even getting this far is absurd.
Obviously monitoring everyone's messages is making things way too easy for authoritarian dictatorships later on, but there does need to be some progress so these groups can't keep acting with complete impunity.
What this implies for the democratic values eu is supposed to represent is an interesting discussion.
Only way this can come into force in a member country is that country making their own law implementing it. It is at that point that constitutionality should be checked and the law stopped from being implemented.
Just take a look at Orban with Hungary how many years you can keep doing this without anything actually happening.
EU in general works only to the extent that member nations want it to work and finding a concensus is always the first goal and split decisions are heavily discouraged (and pretty much anything that matters needs a supermajority at minimum).
If one of the member nations just goes "ah fuck it I don't like this" EU really does not have many tools to fight it (especially for things that effect internal things in the country not trade between them). This is also why directives like this are very unlikely to ever go through without unanimous support from the council (heads of state of the member nations)
I mean literally at worst EU could keep some of the benefits away from a country over not implemeting some directive (what EU is finally after years thinking about doing to Hungary) but that does not really work with a country like Germany that pays more then it gets as they could just go "fuck it we are not paying our dues then".
Basically unlike in the US where the federal government has police, army, etc to actually enforce its rulings EU has none of those. All it can really do is try to take money away which again does not really work all that well.
> Primacy of European Union law
> European law has priority over any contravening national law, including the constitution of a member state itself
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_European_Union_la...
One possible reason seems to be lobbyism and shady connections to surveillance tech companies and various shady non-profits
https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the...
Literal "Won't anybody think of the children" moment.
Why do you think the Baltics are in favour? Are there some announcements they have made?
For Finland it says only 3 of 15 have opposed - which is clearly not a majority.
The “assumption” based on government position has no reference to any stated government position (I know for a fact Lithuania have expressed no such opinion, and can’t find anything related to Latvia or Estonia having done so either) - and also “assumes” all representatives (that are from different parties) are aligned, which they most likely aren’t.