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Posted by xyzal 9/11/2025

Germany is not supporting ChatControl – blocking minority secured(digitalcourage.social)
1128 points | 359 commentspage 3
listic 9/11/2025|
How is the blocking minority counted?

8/27=0.296 (29.6%), and I thought it has to be 35% (65% supporters to pass)

caeruleus 9/12/2025|
A qualified majority needs

(1) 55% of countries [15 atm] (2) representing 65% of EU population.

If one of the above is not met, a blocking minority (usually) needs >=4 countries to vote against a proposal. Germany voting against CSAR would mean (2) is not met in this case.

Source: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/...

rasz 9/14/2025||
Opposition from biggest victims of russian occupation and KGB invigilation.

Germany - Das Ministerium für Staatssicherheit (Stasi).

Poland - Służba Bezpieczeństwa (SB)

Czech and Slovakia - Státní bezpečnost (StB)

whiterock 9/11/2025||
Austria opposing, meanwhile planning their own version of it nationally lol.
cenamus 9/11/2025|
Wish I knew wtf they are cooking up for us
Ylpertnodi 9/11/2025||
Whatever it is, history is not on your side.
ur-whale 9/11/2025||
Funny how the map shows a clear north/south divide (modulo some nordics).

Looks like latin cultures don't really care about being spied on by they governments.

andrepd 9/11/2025||
"Latin cultures" is a really wild way to put it, when Denmark has been the most prominent promoter of the initiative.

This is a map of the government's positions, not even the parliament much less the public, and therefore a picture of whatever happen to be the parties in charge at the current time.

riffraff 9/11/2025||
ireland and latvia, classic latin shenanigans.
reorder9695 9/11/2025||
In Ireland this isn't something the public really even knows was proposed, I highly doubt the public would be in support of this, although can't be sure about it. You would think given the country's history they wouldn't be in favour of government overreach in this way but you never know.
monegator 9/11/2025|||
* There is absolute ZERO information about this in the news, not even from the privacy authority

* There is little to no faith in our elected officials, especially from _that_ side

* Also people don't seem to care, all invested in the "i have nothing to hide" mentality

xeonmc 9/11/2025|||
Where do Switzerland fall on the map?
Dilettante_ 9/11/2025||
Switzerland is not a part of the EU.
izacus 9/11/2025||
"Some nordics" are MOST of the nordics, meaning - all the north though.
another_twist 9/11/2025||
I dont get it, what problem are they trying to solve ? This kind of regulation stirs up a lot of shit and just wastes everyones time.
mutkach 9/11/2025||
Why would you really need something like that in a non-totalitarian state? Basically, it follows the russian playbook (essentially the same 'language' - safety concerns), but instead of the FSB, who is the beneficiary actor in this case?
pembrook 9/11/2025|
Many people working in government wish they were administering a totalitarian state, and would be the beneficiary actors.

Government is a job that self-selects for people who either want safety (non elected jobs) or power (elected jobs) more than anything else, given it pays far less than the private sector. Both the safety people and the power people want to reduce public freedom and the ability to do things.

The only way we keep these people from this is the threat of voting them out of their jobs. But they are more motivated than we are, so they usually win over time.

ktosobcy 9/11/2025||
Maybe an ECI (european citizens' initiative) that would burry the thing for good? :)
arlort 9/11/2025|
That's not how laws work. New laws always override old laws so an ECI (or any law) won't ever replace active participation in the res publica
ktosobcy 9/11/2025||
That's true, but that would be a huge signal of a rejection. What's more - changing such law would be slightly more complex than just introducing the backdor IMHO.
arlort 9/11/2025||
> would be slightly more complex than just introducing the backdor

Not really, both things need to be done by a law. So it's the same signal and complexity as just rejecting the law when it's proposed

And the second option at least does away with the pretension of permanence people like to use as an excuse to wash their hands of interest in politics

lofaszvanitt 9/12/2025||
Just replace politicians with AI. As soon as the systems are reliable.
liendolucas 9/11/2025||
Apparently Italy will support it. This is absolutely infuriating and it will fail miserably. Encryption can't he stopped no matter what law gets out there and any politician voting in favor shows how ignorants they are.

Instead of discussing WHY "owned" mobile phones have a short lifespan and we can't truly do whatever we want with them (be at the hardware/software level) and forced to choose between the apple and google duopoly, we get into these lousy law debates about privacy.

Why doesn't the EU put effort in paving the way for a more open and free tech world when we rely 100% on propietary technology that comes from the other side of the Atlantic?

guappa 9/11/2025||
Because USA sends their ambassadors to threaten you if think the free market is free and decide to no longer buy from them.

https://lwn.net/Articles/1013776/

arlort 9/11/2025|||
> Instead of discussing WHY "owned" mobile phones have a short lifespan and we can't truly do whatever we want with them (be at the hardware/software level) and forced to choose between the apple and google duopoly, we get into these lousy law debates about privacy.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20240419IP...

https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-...

AlgebraFox 9/11/2025||
Encryption cannot be stopped. But Android and iOS can be backdoored. These evil companies lock down our devices, does not allow apps to run without their approval, and selectively push updates from their servers to our devices.

This is a wet dream for governments.

nabla9 9/11/2025|
As long as I remember there has been these initiatives in EU. They have been all blocked so far, or turned into something reasonable, but there will always be a new try.

"Think of the children" will never die.

tannhaeuser 9/11/2025||
It's easy to blame EU lobbyism, but as the situation in UK shows, the EU legislative process can also used to save us from ourselves.

That said, how come we haven't seen massive antitrust action against the likes of Google? You only have to follow the money here.

rsynnott 9/11/2025|||
Oh, not just the EU. This sort of thing is about as old as generally available public key encryption. An early example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip
krunck 9/11/2025||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...
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