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Posted by b_mc2 20 hours ago

Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens(thehill.com)
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whatever1 12 hours ago|
For some visa types, companies are obligated to prove that they advertised the position to American citizens. Failed, hence they needed the foreigner.

This is a huge dealbreaker for campus hires, and specifically masters/PhDs who are, well, by definition, specialized in their field and hence very rare.

So you recruit at her graduation the girl who has done groundbreaking research in deep neural nets and is the key to one of your big projects. She happens to be non-American (because the majority of graduates are non-Americans).

Now what? You know that there is nobody else on the planet that has done this research, yet you have to start recruiting for this position for Americans.

What is the incentive you have as a company to pour a ton of resources on this effort? Recruiting is very expensive. Time is also very expensive when you are at the forefront of innovation.

cryo28 11 hours ago||
And what percentage of H-1Bs are these PhDs with groundbreaking research backgrounds? The vast majority of the H-1Bs are hired by a handful of consulting firms (mostly indian) to do mundate SWE/IT jobs that don't require any special skills but a few months of bootcamp.

Also, don't forget that truly exceptional researchers can self-file for green-card using national interest waiver categories: EB1NIW, EB2NIW don't require employee sponsorship.

So, I think your point is moot.

whatever1 11 hours ago||
How does the green card solve my problem as an employer? Should I also force them to get married with Americans so that they have better chances of working for me?

I just want to sponsor a visa for a worker of rare qualifications. If they choose to become permanent residents of the US it’s their choice, and frankly none of my business.

The system we have is insane.

novia 11 hours ago|||
> She happens to be non-American (because the majority of graduates are non-Americans)

Is this not by itself a problem?

whatever1 11 hours ago||
Americans don’t go to graduate school.

With a bachelors in an engineering field as an American you can be making close to 6 figures the day after you graduate.

With a huge student debt and the clock ticking, do you get a job or do you join a PhD program to get a stipend of 25k/year for at least 5 years?

Grad school becomes attractive to Americans only during recessions.

franktankbank 9 hours ago||
Cries in 2008
coredog64 11 hours ago||
For every job like that, there's 100 jobs that are "Write basic Java CRUD app against RDBMS backend"
alchemical_piss 11 hours ago||
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mydriasis 7 hours ago||
You can find jobs that corporations tried to hide on jobs.now: https://www.jobs.now/
ortusdux 19 hours ago||
Reminds me of the shenanigans you see when a govt job is required to be posted for open bid, but the dept already has an internal hire lined up.
itake 11 hours ago||
Why is hiding the jobs necessary? I applied for one of these jobs years ago.

The recruiter told, "I have no idea how you applied for this job, but its not available for you. let me have you interview a different, but similar, role."

What was I supposed to do other than say, "ok! Send over the other job description."?

overfeed 10 hours ago||
> Why is hiding the jobs necessary?

Because they'd gave to commit outright fraud with no plausible deniability if they have to hide US Citizens applications for jobs they've earmarked for current immigrant employees' PERM. Hiding the jobs gives them deniability.

illusive4080 10 hours ago|||
I’m not sure why. Because they’re usually at salaries that you wouldn’t accept. Like paying 30% below market rate.
wickrom 10 hours ago||
Is instacart a lowballer employer? levels.fyi suggests software engineers at L3 are getting 222k
bandrami 8 hours ago|||
"You have just committed visa fraud and I am calling a labor lawyer"
pests 10 hours ago||
“What do you mean it’s not available to me?”
itake 2 hours ago||
They don't have to answer this. The lady told me the job posting was in a "weird system" and quickly moved the conversation to other open roles.
palmfacehn 2 hours ago||
If the hiring process is dishonest, wouldn't that be a good sign to avoid them as a potential employer?

I know I'm out here in my own space capsule, but it seems like a non-sequitur. Again, perhaps this is my own bias speaking, but wouldn't you prefer to solve your own business problems as an entrepreneur, rather than battle to be employed by someone who has the intent to screw you, so that you might have the privilege to solve biz problems for them? In both cases you have problems, but only one gives you autonomy.

Alternatively, you might look towards employers who want you and do not desire to screw you.

OsrsNeedsf2P 14 hours ago||
> According to the Justice Department, the companies absurdly required applicants to submit applications by mail [...] How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025?

I always wondered how they made sure no one applied to the position they wanted the H1B to fill

FilosofumRex 4 hours ago||
Corporate crimes punishment is a real joke in the US. Meta/FB was fined a couple of million dollars for the same type of violations of temp work visa. I'm sure, it didn't even register on their bottom line.

We need to put execs behind bar, before they'll ever respect labor or competition laws.

ricksunny 19 hours ago||
>Should the system rely so heavily on asking out-of-work Americans to act as goalies — if or when they happen to have the time?

A zinger of a concluding line if ever there was one.

cadamsdotcom 9 hours ago||
It’s much more banal than it seems.

Personal anecdote: I hired an exceptional H-1B worker to a role while I worked in SF, but was legally required to first advertise their role in 2 places. We put it in a 2am TV spot and a Modesto newspaper ad. But the whole thing was a legally required farce. We already knew from months of aggressive sourcing that no other qualified candidates existed - in fact we were over the moon to hire this person.

nomid 7 hours ago|
I don't get it - if you were aggressively sourcing for months, presumably advertising your job via normal channels, wouldn't that already satisfy the requirement for perm? I keep seeing annecdotes about exceptional one of a kind talent, world class PhDs etc. I think we can all agree that majority of H1Bs we work with are not those people. They are regular devs without exceptional skills (not saying no skills, just nothing especially unique). There are thousands laid of, qualified US workers that can fill those roles. You can't convince me that we have such lack of talent in tech today that massive amounts of h1bs have to be brought in.
cadamsdotcom 4 hours ago||
We were advised by our counsel that as part of applying for the H-1B on this person’s behalf, the ads were needed.

Since the advice was given in a clear way and was very procedural, I treated it as necessary, did as told, and moved on to work that has actual impact as fast as possible.. I had actually forgotten about this until now. Hence banal.

potatototoo99 14 hours ago|
I see everyone is for maximizing shareholder value until they are reminded they are workers first.
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