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Posted by b_mc2 9/12/2025

Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens(thehill.com)
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ortusdux 9/12/2025|
Reminds me of the shenanigans you see when a govt job is required to be posted for open bid, but the dept already has an internal hire lined up.
ab_testing 9/13/2025||
I think the hill is trying to create a narrative here. The law specifically states to post job postings in newspapers and it is congress's fault if they have not updated the laws.

As per PERM regulations (20 C.F.R. §656.17):

For professional positions (those requiring a bachelor’s degree or higher), the employer must conduct two Sunday newspaper advertisements in a newspaper of general circulation in the area of intended employment.

For non-professional positions, at least one Sunday ad is required.

Bratmon 9/13/2025||
I don't understand how that justifies Instacart suing the organization that is reposting the job ads in a more accessible way.
bubblethink 9/14/2025||
Instacart sent a cease and desist for trademark violation. You cannot become a middleman for random businesses/services. Kind of similar to how doordash and others got into trouble by hijacking restaurants' order flow without consent.
prime_ursid 9/13/2025|||
Finally, someone in this thread says this. Thank you!

This opinion column from The Hill is written by a Fox News contributor. Of course it’s going to leave out certain inconvenient facts in service of a nativist agenda. The HN community time and time again shows that they are ready to be whipped up into an anti-immigrant frenzy at the drop of a hat.

alchemical_piss 9/13/2025||
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ggm 9/13/2025||
Freedom of movement of labour is the principal reason unions and the British labour party had significant brexit support: the view was that EU labour migration was designed to reduce bargaining power.

I can't say if that's true or not, but it does suggest that the best path out for tech workers in the US might be to unionise. Because hateful though it is, and I remain a steadfast "remainer" .. brexit happened.

If you don't like H1B rules, organise. But bear in mind who you will be associating with promoting a closed labour market.

veunes 9/13/2025|
That tension between protecting labor rights and promoting open markets is real
ggm 9/13/2025||
Plays both ways. As many British kids denied low barrier entry to Europe suffer as people who saw their job value defended. And, cheap EU/shengen labour was just replaced by non EU equivalents, driving the British right wing faragists even crazier. It also dis-incented the French to stop migration transit across the channel in boats. So, Labour cost dilution happened anyway. And small business tanked with market access losses.

All of this could affect the USA. Sales of US sw and service, access to European CDN and DC markets could dry up, and startup culture see less interest in product in the wider market, as H1B displaced workers "back home" carry American models into their domestic VC market.

Tbh, I think that's less likely to work. People (not me I hasten to add, I'm past the age) want to move to an idea of America they grow up with, and VC friendly economics don't export well: people outside America hate failure.

I guess I'm saying current WH policy doesn't favour the "open market" side of this, regarding non US market access and there will be a consequent reaction in those non US markets to American labour and ideas.

mydriasis 9/13/2025||
You can find jobs that corporations tried to hide on jobs.now: https://www.jobs.now/
ricksunny 9/12/2025||
>Should the system rely so heavily on asking out-of-work Americans to act as goalies — if or when they happen to have the time?

A zinger of a concluding line if ever there was one.

whatever1 9/13/2025||
For some visa types, companies are obligated to prove that they advertised the position to American citizens. Failed, hence they needed the foreigner.

This is a huge dealbreaker for campus hires, and specifically masters/PhDs who are, well, by definition, specialized in their field and hence very rare.

So you recruit at her graduation the girl who has done groundbreaking research in deep neural nets and is the key to one of your big projects. She happens to be non-American (because the majority of graduates are non-Americans).

Now what? You know that there is nobody else on the planet that has done this research, yet you have to start recruiting for this position for Americans.

What is the incentive you have as a company to pour a ton of resources on this effort? Recruiting is very expensive. Time is also very expensive when you are at the forefront of innovation.

cryo28 9/13/2025||
And what percentage of H-1Bs are these PhDs with groundbreaking research backgrounds? The vast majority of the H-1Bs are hired by a handful of consulting firms (mostly indian) to do mundate SWE/IT jobs that don't require any special skills but a few months of bootcamp.

Also, don't forget that truly exceptional researchers can self-file for green-card using national interest waiver categories: EB1NIW, EB2NIW don't require employee sponsorship.

So, I think your point is moot.

whatever1 9/13/2025||
How does the green card solve my problem as an employer? Should I also force them to get married with Americans so that they have better chances of working for me?

I just want to sponsor a visa for a worker of rare qualifications. If they choose to become permanent residents of the US it’s their choice, and frankly none of my business.

The system we have is insane.

coredog64 9/13/2025|||
For every job like that, there's 100 jobs that are "Write basic Java CRUD app against RDBMS backend"
alchemical_piss 9/13/2025||
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novia 9/13/2025||
> She happens to be non-American (because the majority of graduates are non-Americans)

Is this not by itself a problem?

whatever1 9/13/2025||
Americans don’t go to graduate school.

With a bachelors in an engineering field as an American you can be making close to 6 figures the day after you graduate.

With a huge student debt and the clock ticking, do you get a job or do you join a PhD program to get a stipend of 25k/year for at least 5 years?

Grad school becomes attractive to Americans only during recessions.

franktankbank 9/13/2025||
Cries in 2008
OsrsNeedsf2P 9/12/2025||
> According to the Justice Department, the companies absurdly required applicants to submit applications by mail [...] How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025?

I always wondered how they made sure no one applied to the position they wanted the H1B to fill

_DeadFred_ 9/13/2025||
We have already decided that we want to be a multi-cultural society in the US, so we impose immigration caps from each country. We should do the same from H1Bs. All of the smart people can't honestly be in just one or two countries. H1Bs should have their total limit also have a percentage allowed from a country requirement.
TriangleEdge 9/12/2025||
From experience: big tech has to post jobs to US citizens before it can hire on a visa or sponsor a green card. So the trick is to put an ad in a physical news paper and present that as evidence.
bobthepanda 9/12/2025|
I recall there being a proposal to prioritize H1Bs based on salary, which would at least lessen or eliminate the race to the bottom and stuff like people training their lower paid replacements
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