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Posted by walterbell 19 hours ago

Bank of Thailand freezes 3M accounts, sets daily transfer limits to curb fraud(www.thaienquirer.com)
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PaywallBuster 18 hours ago|
> By July, 3 million accounts have been closed

this wasn't a swift action overnight

they could be blocking this many accounts on a yearly basis just from scam reports at the police station

or more which seems to be the case recently, but not overnight

this is bad article

charlieyu1 13 hours ago||
How about stopping the scam centres in Cambodia altogether
andrewmcwatters 18 hours ago||
For reference, banks in the United States flag all transactions above $10,000, and repeat transactions that appear to be skirting this threshold.
tenpies 15 hours ago|
Also worth thinking about inflation with this one.

The $10,000 figure originated with the 1970 Bank Secrecy Act[1]. Back then, that was a lot of money.

If it had kept up with plain old vanilla government-reported inflation, the number would be closer to $83,000 today[2].

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[1] https://www.fincen.gov/resources/statutes-and-regulations/ba...

[2] https://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=1...

petermcneeley 14 hours ago||
Big Mac Index suggests more like 30x
hyghjiyhu 17 hours ago||
Maybe I'm too suspicious but Thailandb is not a democratic country, was recently in an armed conflict. Could there be something more to this?
latchkey 18 hours ago||
What's the real reason? Fraud has been around forever now. How is it that people were able to create so many mule accounts in the first place? What sort of KYC was going on? Why start limiting bank accounts without warning?

So many questions...

Update: my Thai friend just wrote me this:

"Not in trouble, it's the Chinese and Russians money laundering. Every Russian has had their accounts suspended, this was about half a year ago, now they are slowly doing the Chinese and Brits too. Vietnam is not much better, also suspending all foreigners accounts until you can prove you have a trc here."

Update2: just saw this on IG… https://www.instagram.com/p/DOZM0ZOkUAy/

walterbell 18 hours ago||
May 2025, "Vietnam to close 86M bank accounts for lack of biometric data", 20 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45201549
sirn 18 hours ago|||
> How is it that people were able to create so many mule accounts in the first place? What sort of KYC was going on?

They pay a low-income/no-income person a small fee (possibly monthly) to let them borrow their account. Sadly, people who would fall into this are not hard to find in Thailand.

> What sort of KYC was going on?

There are accounts that are grandfathered in and don’t require KYC but have been able to access online banking, etc. Mine is such, and my bank (BAY) is discontinuing that particular loophole at the end of this month. (I'm in Thailand right now to do this KYC, despite having not come back here for the last 6 years.)

charlieyu1 13 hours ago|||
Many tourists from Hong Kong/China/Taiwan were kidnapped from Thailand to work in scam centres in Cambodia, to the point it gave Thailand a bad name and affected their tourism income
Muromec 14 hours ago|||
I remember opening a bank account in a green one, while being on a tourist visa. Don't remember how they even established my address or anything beyond basic id. No real followup on source of funds or anything either. Wire comes in, cash goes out, nobody asks questions. It wasn't even before 9/11, it was 2015.
nxobject 15 hours ago|||
Thailand’s a very good place to get money out of you’re foreign organized crime in general - the fig leaf of “I’m buying an usually expensive condo/villa/yacht” is a good excuse.
kijin 18 hours ago|||
We've been having a similar fraud issue here in South Korea as well. These criminals call vulnerable people, impersonate bankers or government officials, and social-engineer them into trasferring money. Some even pretend to have kidnapped your child, play AI-generated voice of a sobbing kid, and demand ransom.

Fraud has always been around, but I think a few recent developments have exacerbated the problem. KYC has been relaxed a lot since Covid, so you can open a whole bunch of accounts with just an image of an ID card. Lots of elderly people now have access to mobile banking, so they don't have to visit a physical branch where a clerk can flag suspicious transfer requests.

Bank accounts in South Korea now start with a daily transfer limit of 1 million won (about $700), even lower than the 50k bhat limit that the Thai government has instituted.

walterbell 17 hours ago||
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/sep/08/m...

  KK Park – a vast, heavily guarded complex stretching for 210 hectares (520 acres) along the churning Moei River that forms Myanmar’s border with Thailand.. with its on-site hospital, restaurants, bank and neat lines of villas with manicured lawns, looks more like the campus of a Silicon Valley tech company than what it really is: the frontline of a multibillion-dollar criminal fraud industry fuelled by human trafficking and brutal violence.. Myanmar, Cambodia and Laos have in recent years become havens for transnational crime syndicates running scam centres such as KK Park, which use enslaved workers to run complex online fraud and scamming schemes that generate huge profits.
latchkey 16 hours ago||
This!

China's Silk Road ends in Sihanoukville Cambodia. If you've ever been there, you've seen the eco-devastation and utter disregard for human life along the entire road.

notmyjob 15 hours ago||
Great news.
zelphirkalt 17 hours ago||
Does "MM" usually stand for "million"? In German we have "Millionen" and then "Milliarden", but in English that is "Billion", so "MM" cannot stand for "Milliarden" either. And "Mega" already is *10^6, but only has 1 "M". So at first naturally I read "Million Million", but then thought: "What? There is no way they have that many accounts!"

It is a very confusing way to write the number and no explanation seems to fit, other than "There is a second 'M' to avoid clash with the company name '3M'.". Is that the explanation?

walterbell 17 hours ago||
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45240304#45241147

  To represent one million in finance, the abbreviation “MM” is widely used. This notation originates from “mille mille,” meaning “thousand thousands” in Latin, equating to one million. This clarity makes “MM” a preferred choice in financial statements and reports.
lotsofpulp 17 hours ago||
I feel like the mille notation might have been usable before trillions started getting thrown around. Nowadays, k, M, B, and T seem like clearer suffixes than M, MM, MMM, and MMMM.
walterbell 17 hours ago||
For this specific thread, 3MM also disambiguates 3M the company, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45240769
IndrekR 17 hours ago|||
It is to avoid confusing with "M", mīlle -- Latin for "thousand". Quite common in financial world still.
sfdlkj3jk342a 16 hours ago||
I've worked in trading in NY, London, and Singapore for nearly 20 years and have never seen anyone actually write M to mean "thousands".

"Thousand" is always "k" or "K". "Million" is "M", "MM", "m", "mn", or "mln".

mhluongo 17 hours ago|||
It comes from finance - the rest of us just use "M" for million. I believe it's from Roman numerals (MM = thousand * thousand).
conductr 17 hours ago|||
I’m in finance and exclusively use the M and K to reference millions and thousands. Everyone says the MM is more accurate and I get that from a Roman numeral perspective it may be (if you ignore that it actually means 2000), yet I’ve never once encountered anyone using M as a thousand in the writing or reading of financial figures. I think it’s primarily a financial news, journalism/writing style, I rarely see it in business at all. Sometimes I see MM from the PE/banker guys and that’s about the only time I see it IRL.
chowells 16 hours ago||
Ok, I see where the "actually 2000" misconception would come from. A mile is 2000 steps, and "mile" comes from "mille".

But "mille" means 1000. Specifically, it was the distance covered by 1000 paces from a marching Roman soldier. It's more consistent to measure paces than steps in the face of left/right asymmetries, so it's the unit implied when you just say you're marching 1000.

IndrekR 17 hours ago|||
The funny thing is, that MM in roman numerals means 2000.
CalRobert 17 hours ago|||
Megameters, naturally
N19PEDL2 17 hours ago||
Mm
nilamo 16 hours ago|||
Just accounting nerds sniping normal people who try to express numbers, smh.
Ekaros 16 hours ago||
I say we just should go with engineer notation 3e6 is unambiguous. And say 100 million could be simple e8.
redwall_hp 16 hours ago|||
SI prefixes should always be preferred, as they're more widely understood and have consistency, but finance bros use M for "mille" instead, meaning thousand, when they should use K.
mattnewton 17 hours ago||
IIRC it’s Roman numerals for thousand thousands
Ekaros 17 hours ago||
Actual Roman numeral notation would be M̄. MM is 2000... And well M only came in middle ages. Romans would have used CIↃ...
ameliaquining 18 hours ago||
The truncated headline is extremely misleading; it makes it sound like they're having a currency crisis, rather than this being an anti-fraud measure. (I'm not finding any indications in other sources that there is a currency crisis or that the anti-fraud rationale is pretextual, though I could have missed something.)

(ETA: HN title has been re-edited, previously didn't have the "to curb fraud" clause.)

lambda 17 hours ago||
When discussing the headline on HN, can you please quote the headline that you are discussing? Headlines are commonly edited by mods without any history, so it's hard to tell if you're discussing the current headline or something else.
JacksonWill 17 hours ago|||
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normie3000 18 hours ago|||
It makes it sound like they're having an argument with the 3M Company to me.
wiether 18 hours ago||
Did they ductaped their funds?
rusk 17 hours ago|||
They can Post It in
throwaway894345 16 hours ago||
I hope they stick with it.
62 17 hours ago|||
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StopDisinfo910 18 hours ago|||
That’s not only closure, that’s global currency control. Every account is now subjected to a transfer limit.

Even if the anti-fraud motif is genuine, that’s a pretty extreme amount of control. Not that it’s in any way strange coming from Thailand. Foreign exchange and capital inflow and outflow are already controlled.

walterbell 17 hours ago||
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45240304#45240968

> Assistant [Bank of Thailand] Governor.. acknowledged that current procedures for identifying and freezing suspected “mule accounts” need refinement to prevent harming innocent customers. Many account holders have taken to social media to express frustration...

rollcat 18 hours ago|||
I've read the headline and my first thought was, "they're overdue on tackling fraud", but perhaps it should be clarified.
JumpCrisscross 18 hours ago|||
Yeah, flagged for editorialisation. (EDIT: Unflagged for mentioning fraud. Would also recommend changing the ambiguous 3M to 3mm or 3mn.)
hnlmorg 18 hours ago||
It’s a long headline. I bet the editorialisation was reluctantly done to work around HNs character limit.

If you have a better suggestion for an abridged headline then you could share and hopefully the submitter can still update this submission.

monkeyelite 16 hours ago|||
There is no clean distinction between anti-fraud and currency control
Kate5477 12 hours ago|
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