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Posted by summarity 5 days ago

Apple will phase out Rosetta 2 in macOS 28(developer.apple.com)
165 points | 162 commentspage 2
darkamaul 13 hours ago|
I’ve always been amazed by Rosetta, such an incredible piece of engineering. But I wonder if we’ll ever see its source code opened up.

It feels like keeping it alive could really help long-term x64 support on Apple Silicon, even if Apple decides to move on.

ferguess_k 8 hours ago||
I'd also love to see the source code of the embedded M68K emulator for PPC Macs. I believe there are two versions -- one interpreter style and one dynarec style.
smat 12 hours ago||
Check out Asahi Linux, they run on Apple Silicon and have translation for 32 and 64 bit x86, so they even go further than what Rosetta achieved. Open Source as well.
geoffpado 1 day ago||
For those unfamiliar with Apple’s new version-numbering system, this is the version that will be released in 2027, presumably around September or October of that year.
shrinks99 1 day ago||
RIP a ton of older audio plugins.
braebo 11 hours ago||
I lost access to decades of my albums which can no longer open on my MacBooks. Some open partially running Ableton Live with Rosetta. My record label recently reached out asking for stems for an old song for a sync deal with Rocket League — after spending a week trying to revive the old sessions I concluded that it was impossible and they were forever lost thanks to apples complete abandonment of backwards compatibility. It’s heart breaking really.
Mashimo 10 hours ago||
Could you not open the project on a windows computer or older mac?

I also think current Native Instruments luncher "Native Access" still requires rosetta for the installation :)))

braebo 4 hours ago||
I was foolish enough to use Audio Units instead of VSTs back then… and even my oldest mac isn’t old enough. I managed to make a portable installer with the right Mac version and tried containerizing it but gave up after a couple days.
p0w3n3d 15 hours ago|||
I've already lost my "studio" (a few appliances in the corner of my room) due to upgrade from windows 7 to 10. Now it will happen again after I migrated to mac. I guess the "studio" should be left alone when it comes to upgrades. I'm starting to believe, that a "studio" is a set of software AND hardware, so I guess I won't sell my mac to buy new, but rather maintain it with given software and hardware on it, just maybe unplug it from the internet.

-- EDIT --

or just move back to windows, but I can't imagine it with the current state of AI bloat

wooger 13 hours ago||
It's just a choice between competent AI bloat (Microsoft) vs. laughable non-functional AI bloat (Apple).
yborg 6 hours ago|||
Photoshop plugins also.
bigyabai 1 day ago||
macOS has been sending mixed signals to musicians since Catalina. I'd be surprised if people are still seriously using it for studio work.
Reubend 18 hours ago|||
There are tons of musicians on Mac, and it gets lots of studio use. I'd say at least 50% of music studios are on Macs from what I've seen.
ngcazz 15 hours ago||
For sure. But I'd be surprised if a significant number of those setups were running recent versions of Mac OS, especially in older studios. Stability is preferable to new features since old studio hardware is often very reliable and studio engineers are wary of ruining compatibility with system upgrades
lostlogin 1 day ago|||
I can just imagine the Apple statement, like they did with flash/Flash.

‘We fully support the Studio.’

Edit: After hunting around without success, I’m now doubting my memory. I thought I could remember Jobs dismissively replying to a question about Adobe Flash that Apple supported flash (memory). Maybe I made that up?

tonyedgecombe 12 hours ago||
Hopefully this will finally push Sonos to produce an Apple Silicon binary.
keyle 16 hours ago||
That means the end of the Hackintosh era if the OS won't run x86, I imagine it won't install on x86 either.
cmckn 13 hours ago||
Aw that bums me out, brings back a lot of memories. Though I assume it’s been effectively dead for a while.

I haven’t dabbled with hackintoshes in nearly a decade, I stepped away around the time iMessage started needing those extensive hacks to work. Things seemed to shift away from driver/bootloader gaps to faking Apple hardware. Years earlier, I had an Asus Eee PC (remember “netbooks”?) that ran macOS without any major issues. I even built a machine that I believed I could hackintosh easily, though it never quite worked as well as I hoped.

The era of random companies selling pre-built Hackintoshes was so cool. Kids these days probably wouldn’t even believe it if you told them, like how Netflix used to actually send you a DVD in the mail. :)

pjmlp 9 hours ago||
Tahoe is officially the last version to support x86.

I never liked the idea, either get Apple, or get one of the other OSes.

It was like getting a Fiat Coupe with a Ferrari logo.

aranw 13 hours ago||
For a few years now it's been feeling like Apple are pushing devs away and are more interested in catering for general consumers. Just look at what DHH has written and said about it, and his move to Omarchy
kstenerud 16 hours ago||
Would be nice if they open sourced Rosetta, so that the community could continue support.
PeaceTed 17 hours ago||
By the time this happens, it will have been a 7 year transition. That isn't too bad considering the original Rosetta only got 5.

I do have sympathy for those that still use this in their daily work flow, but also... this is Apple. This is how they have always rolled.

sedatk 13 hours ago|
Meanwhile, I can still run my apps from the 90’s on my ARM laptop on Windows. That’s two architectures back to be clear: ARM64 -> x86-64 -> x86
anthonyskipper 1 day ago|
This is awful. I love playing games on my MBP and the latest crossover releases have been amazing in the ability to play almost all windows PC games at full speed. Losing rosetta means crossover is dead.

You would hope that apple would open source it, but they are one of the worst companies in the world for open sourcing things. Shame on all their engineers.

evmar 1 day ago||
From the OP: "Beyond [the two-year] timeframe, we will keep a subset of Rosetta functionality aimed at supporting older unmaintained gaming titles, that rely on Intel-based frameworks."
difosfor 1 day ago||
What about the newer games that are maintained, just not supported on anything but windows?
mxey 1 day ago|||
Isn’t that part of Rosetta also used in their own Game Porting Toolkit?
Cloudef 18 hours ago|||
mac for gaming is just not a good idea
fragmede 18 hours ago||
What are you talking about? There's Do I have enough RAM to run Slack, all my Chrome tabs, and a terminal program; there's what terminal program shall I run today: Ghost edition; there's Can I get Colima to run, now with docker DLC. There's Kubernetes on Mac: Kind edition; there's Let's with Tart!; Nix is for Ops: New and more obtuse config edition. With so many fun games to play, who's got time for anything else?
snvzz 17 hours ago||
Fortunately, whoever has money for a Mac can also afford hardware that will actually run games.
wooger 12 hours ago||
A Macbook (air) is no longer a crazy expensive unobtainable thing, just a perfectly reasonable mid-price choice for most people.

Whereas a good graphics card alone is still insane money.

gbear605 2 hours ago||
Yep, Macs are cheaper than many graphic cards alone
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