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Posted by AndrewDucker 10/25/2025

ChatGPT's Atlas: The Browser That's Anti-Web(www.anildash.com)
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zitterbewegung 10/29/2025|
This and the new device that OpenAI is working on is more of a general strategy to make a bigger moat by having more of an ecosystem so that people will keep their subscriptions and also get pro.
ElijahLynn 10/29/2025||
Which hopefully will keep it free of ads (even for free users) that destroyed the current ad-riddled web.
52-6F-62 10/29/2025||
lol
echelon 10/29/2025||
Atlas strategy:

- Atlas slurps the web to get more training data, bypassing Reddit blocks, Cloudflare blocks, paywalls, etc. It probably enriches the data with additional user signals that are useful.

- Atlas is an attempt to build a sticky product that users won't switch away from. An LLM or image model doesn't really have sticky attachment, but if it starts storing all of your history and data, the switching costs could become immense. (Assuming it actually provides value and isn't a gimmick.)

- Build pillars of an interconnected platform. Key "panes of glass" for digital lives, commerce, sales intent, etc. in the platformization strategy. The hardware play, the social network play -- OpenAI is trying to mint itself as a new "Mag 7", and Atlas could be a major piece in the puzzle.

- Eat into precious Google revenue. Every Atlas user is a decrease in Google search/ads revenue.

gscott 10/29/2025|||
Ycombinator Application: Replace entire World Wide Web with my own WWW

Response: Already achieved by OpenAI!

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 10/29/2025|||
https://stockanalysis.com/list/magnificent-seven/

I guess Mag 7 is the new FAANG, not the mag-7 shotgun

anthk 10/29/2025||
>Sorry, I can't do that.

'Modern' Z-Machine games (v5 version compared to the original v3 one from Infocom) will allow you to do that and far more. By 'modern' I meant from the early 90's and up. Even more with v8 games.

>This was also why people hated operating systems like MS-DOS, and why even all the Linux users reading this right now are doing so in a graphical user interface.

The original v3 Z Machine parser (raw one) was pretty much limited compared to the v5 one. Even more with against the games made with Inform6 and the Inform6 English library targetting the v5 version.

Go try yourself. Original Zork from MIT (Dungeon) converted into a v5 ZMachine game:

https://iplayif.com/?story=https%3A%2F%2Fifarchive.org%2Fif-...

Spot the differences. For instance, you could both say 'take the rock' and, later, say 'drop it'.

   >take mat
   Taken.
 
   >drop it
   Dropped.
 
   >take the mat
   Taken.
 
   >drop mat
   Dropped.
 
   >open mailbox
   You open the mailbox, revealing a small leaflet.
 
   >take leaftlet
   You can't see any such thing.
 
   >take leaflet
   Taken.
 
  >drop it
   Dropped.
Now, v5 games are from late 80's/early 90's. There's Curses, Jigsaw, Spider and Web ... v8 games are like Anchorhead, pretty advanced for its time:

https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=op0uw1gn1tjqmjt7

You can either download the Z8 file and play it with Frotz (Linux/BSD), WinFrotz, or Lectrote under Android and anything else. Also, online with the web interpreter.

Now, the 'excuses' about the terseness of the original Z3 parser are now nearly void; because with Puny Inform a lot of Z3 targetting games (for 8086 DOS PC's, C64's, Spectrums, MSX'...) have a slightly improved parser against the original Zork game.

kopochameleon 10/29/2025||
Same author's impact on web preservation https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44064230
kristianc 10/29/2025|
He's a great talker. Delivery record more mixed.
bn-l 10/29/2025||
What’s your beef with him?
f4uCL9dNSnQm 10/29/2025||
Speaking of anti-web:

https://i.postimg.cc/br7F8NLd/chat-GPT.png

I wonder when webmasters will take theirs gloves off and just start feeding AI crawlers with porn and gore.

101008 10/29/2025|
This would be amazing. Such a shame it would only work if a large percentage does it.
labrador 10/29/2025||
I tested Google Search, Google Gemini and Claude with "Taylor Swift showgirl". Gemini and Claude gave me a description plus some links. Both were organized better than the Google search page. If I didn't like the description that Claude or Google gave me I could click on the Wikipedia link. Claude gave me a link to Spotify to listen while Gemini gave me a link to YouTube to watch and lisen.

The complaint about the OpenAI browser seems to be it didn't show any links. I agree, that is a big problem. If you are just getting error prone AI output then it's pretty worthless.

consp 10/29/2025|
Google search is an ad platform. Wait until the honeymoon days of the "AI" LLMs are over for the enshitification to ensue.
djmips 10/29/2025||
Ain't that the truth... I hope that "AI" LLMs will have their Linux, their local private versions that are on par.
dangoodmanUT 10/29/2025||
> There were a tiny handful of incredible nerds who thought this was fun, mostly because 3D graphics and the physical touch of another human being hadn't been invented yet.

:skull:

BrenBarn 10/29/2025||
The thing about command lines is off base, but overall the article is right that the ickiness of this thing is exceeded only by its evil.
brendoelfrendo 10/29/2025||
Atlas confuses me. Firefox already puts Claude or ChatGPT in my sidebar and has integrations so I can have it analyze or summarize content or help me with something on the page. Atlas looks like yet another Chromium fork that should have been a browser extension, not a revolutionary product that will secure OpenAI's market dominance.
coffeefirst 10/29/2025||
Yep. I was playing around with both Atlas and Comet and, security and privacy issues aside, I can’t figure out what they’re for or what the point is.

Except one: it gives them the default search engine and doesn’t let you change it.

I asked Atlas about this and it told me that’s true, the AI features are just a hook, this is about lock in.

Make of that what you will.

h4ck_th3_pl4n3t 10/30/2025||
It is not a fork, and it is a NewTab page Chrome extension.

They didn't even change the codename that's displayed in the Settings page.

strikefo 10/29/2025||
I think Atlas sounds and acts pretty terrible, but the Dia browser has been a pretty nice experience for me. You still have access to the web, favorite links in the sidebar, etc.; and the option (when you want or need) to "chat" with the current website you are on using an LLM.
amelius 10/29/2025|
It's bad news if one company owns the search bar.

Just like it's bad news if one company owns the roads or the telecom infrastructure.

Governments need to prepare some strong regulation here.

(Of course this is still true if it's not strictly a monopoly)

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