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Posted by rom1v 10/28/2025

What we talk about when we talk about sideloading(f-droid.org)
1516 points | 629 commentspage 2
zb3 10/28/2025|
Note that the Android permission system is designed so that you are not in control by design, some permissions are "not for you" and only for "system apps" which you can't control. This gives Google and device manufacturers advantage over third party software developers in the name of security...

I think we should focus on defending the slowly-vanishing ability to unlock the bootloader and fight for the core parts of Android to stay open source.. without these two, installing an APK will mean less and less until it might eventually become synonymous with installing a PWA.

aboringusername 10/28/2025|
A great example of this is the 'networking' permission. Being able to control which app can speak to the WAN/LAN is a very important security consideration. Instead, every Android app can send any data it wants without the user being able to have a say in the matter. A lot of apps work just fine without being able to 'phone home'.

Thankfully there's the likes of GrapheneOS, however, with Google's recent changes, unless their OEM partner pulls through, their days are likely numbered.

Liftyee 10/29/2025||
Interestingly, on Xiaomi HyperOS they have added the ability to individually control each app's access to mobile data 1/2/WiFi. I didn't know this wasn't a general Android feature.

I guess if it was, people would be turning off the network permission of all the "apps that perform a trivial function, but with ads", like I always do.

klawed 10/28/2025||
It makes me a little sad that there’s no mention of Raymond Carver in this thread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_We_Talk_About_When_We_Tal... The current state of dominant mobile OS’s is about as bleak as the bleakest Carver story. Since I’m on a tangent I’ll also highly recommend the movie Shortcuts.
marcprux 10/29/2025||
Also recommended: BIRDMAN or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)
pr337h4m 10/28/2025||
Why are OEMs like Samsung just letting this happen? A lot of power users who buy flagships will leave for iPhones if Android ceases to be an open platform. (This segment is what is preventing the “green bubbles = poor” narrative from taking over.)
m3adow 10/28/2025||
> This segment is what is preventing the “green bubbles = poor” narrative from taking over.

In the US maybe. In Europe, not so much. With Apple having a market share of "only" about one third and WhatsApp being the de facto default messaging app, this discussion never happened here.

Therefore your argument doesn't apply to Europe at all. Android is more than the "hacky" part. Albeit I'd really love to keep that.

eep_social 10/29/2025||
whatsapp is a different form of the same malignant cancer, or so the unremovable meta-ai overlay seems to say.
the_pwner224 10/28/2025|||
> A lot of power users who buy flagships will leave for iPhones if Android ceases to be an open platform.

99.9% of people who use Android have never, and never will, install apps outside the Play Store, and aren't even aware that they can do so.

archargelod 10/29/2025||
Did you consider piracy?

I'd guesstimate that close to 50% of Android users know how to install an apk.

dmbche 10/29/2025||
You think 50% of the 3.6 billions of android users know that?
archargelod 10/29/2025|||
There are countries like China, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela where installing an APK is the primary or only way to get most software, including essential bank and government apps.

Outside of the Western market, installing Android apps not from Google Play is a completely normal and regular thing. In countries like India, Brazil, Indonesia, Nigeria, and the Philippines (which represent a massive portion of global Android users) it is a standard part of using a phone.

LambdaComplex 10/29/2025|||
https://xkcd.com/2501/
kuratkull 10/28/2025|||
I have never seen people in the EU talk about the bubble colours. Texting is virtually dead in the EU as I know it, it's all in messaging services.
Nemo_bis 10/29/2025|||
It's not like they didn't try, but Google illegally smashed them.

> Judgment of the General Court of 14 September 2022 — Google and Alphabet v Commission (Google Android) > > The General Court largely confirms the Commission's decision that Google imposed unlawful restrictions on manufacturers of Android mobile devices and mobile network operators in order to consolidate the dominant position of its search engine

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/202...

Press release:

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/202...

Andrex 10/28/2025|||
Samsung's fought Google on a few different fronts over the years and conceded most of those fights.
tcfhgj 10/28/2025||
why would I leave for IPhones? I want the other direction of freedom.
tetris11 10/28/2025||
> https://keepandroidopen.org/

The UK petition link appears to be broken:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/744446

Dilettante_ 10/28/2025|
The EU page is also no longer accepting new feedback

* https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-sa...

VadimPR 10/28/2025||
Right, the period closed:

Feedback: Closed Consultation period 17 July 2025 - 24 October 2025 (midnight Brussels time)

glenstein 10/28/2025||
>Regardless, the term “sideload” was coined to insinuate that there is something dark and sinister about the process, as if the user were making an end-run around safeguards that are designed to keep you protected and secure.

I also recall a time in the nascent era of web file hosts, like Rapidshare.de and Mega upload, and some others that came and went so quick that I don't even remember their names, some services offered the option to "sideload" (as opposed to download) straight to their file server.

endgame 10/29/2025||
Australian users of alternative app stores should make a complaint to the ACCC: https://www.accc.gov.au/about-us/contact-us-or-report-an-iss...

In the past, they forced Steam to implement proper refund policies, and they are currently suing Microsoft about the way subscribers were duped into paying more for "AI features" they didn't want.

marak830 10/29/2025|
Done, thank you for the link.
1970-01-01 10/28/2025||
You cannot beat them at their own game without some other Goliath like the EU getting involved. The complain and watch strategy doesn't make a difference.
Nemo_bis 10/29/2025|
This sort of public complaint is the first step towards an European Commission finding of non-compliance with the Digital Markets Act.
nashashmi 10/28/2025||
The entire App Store system is broken. It should have always been sideloadable apps by default. And app stores for verified app makers. Instead we have Google withholding play store. And now withholding sideloading.
NoImmatureAdHom 10/28/2025||
Where do I send my money to fight this?

https://keepandroidopen.org/ is about sending messages, which I have done and will continue to do. But I want to open my wallet.

mwnivek 10/29/2025|
You may be looking for something more specifically targeted, but here two somewhat relevant ways to donate money:

- https://f-droid.org/en/donate/

- https://supporters.eff.org/donate/join-eff-today

lovelearning 10/29/2025|
I have coded some apps that are customized for my mother's usage and accessibility. I plan on coding some more. I need to install them on just 2 phones - my own for testing and my mother's.

As of now, I can create APKs of my apps and install them on my mother's phone by unchecking the "prevent apps from other sources" option.

Even after going through so many articles, I still don't know unambiguously whether I can continue this workflow in future, or I'll need Google's approval to install on just our own 2 family phones.

There's a failure in communications here from both sides.

Ambiguity suits Google perfectly fine.

But it's counterproductive to its opponents because every dev who's confused will remain a fence-sitter rather than an ally, even if only motivated by personal inconvenience rather than any principled stand.

I doubt I'm the only Android dev who's confused. I hope at least f-droid communicates more clearly the consequences of this policy to all types of developers and deployment scenarios.

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