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Posted by samfriedman 4 days ago

ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship(www.404media.co)
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tsoukase 4 days ago|
Life in the US is turning like one of its sci-fi movies. Now it's playing the first half where the bad suppress the good, before the reverse will happen for a happy ending.

By saying such I might come up as part of The Resistance in the future, like German people that resisted the Nazis are considered heroes after the war.

RajT88 4 days ago||
I think Family guy had a gag about this...

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart

stronglikedan 4 days ago|
that has nothing to do with this
roywiggins 4 days ago|||
SCOTUS has endorsed using "apparent ethnicity" as grounds for a stop:

https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/09/justice-brett-kavanaugh-a...

Bovino says they do profile people on how they look:

> “Then, obviously, the particular characteristics of an individual, how they look. How do they look compared to, say, you?” he said to the reporter, a tall, middle-aged man of Anglo descent.

https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/29/feds-march-into-...

tootie 4 days ago|||
We're calling them Kavanaugh Stops. Legalized racial profiling.
FireBeyond 4 days ago|||
Absolutely. I'm a legal immigrant, but delays in processing and other things when I had to adjust status after divorcing from my US citizen wife (I moved here on a K-1 fiance visa) had me involving an immigration attorney, who made the comment, "I hate saying this, but it's true. You're the right color, and with where you're coming from (Australia), nobody cares about checking up on you."
RajT88 4 days ago||
All those illegal Polish immigrants in Chicagoland (of which there are many) seem to be doing just fine.
roywiggins 1 day ago||
deportations are up among other groups too (this isn't meant to suggest they aren't racially profiling):

> The number of Irish citizens deported from the United States has risen by more than 50% so far in 2025 compared to the previous year, figures released to BBC News NI show.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g78nj7701o

fabian2k 4 days ago||||
Of course it has. They're checking people that look "foreign".
RajT88 4 days ago||||
That's what they say, but of course they would say that.

It's like that old Groucho joke: Who are you going to believe? Me, or your lyin' eyes?

roywiggins 4 days ago||
They don't even always say that:

https://www.wbez.org/immigration/2025/09/29/feds-march-into-...

> “Then, obviously, the particular characteristics of an individual, how they look. How do they look compared to, say, you?” he said to the reporter, a tall, middle-aged man of Anglo descent.

ASalazarMX 4 days ago|||
Discussion's over everyone! Some random user said that had nothing to do with this. He didn't elaborate, but you can't argue with that logic.
dgllghr 4 days ago||
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varispeed 4 days ago|
I wonder why people downvote. Many western countries now couldn't be more obviously fascist. State responsibilities are being offloaded to multinational corporations, de facto private policing is around the corner, surveillance (digital ID tracking your movements and what you talk about, chat controls and whatnot). It's creeping in and people pretend it's not happening.
snozolli 4 days ago|||
Many western countries now couldn't be more obviously fascist.

Which ones? This isn't an "I'm just asking" attack, I genuinely want to know which ones you think are obviously fascist.

varispeed 4 days ago||
US, UK, most of the EU.
Cornbilly 4 days ago||||
People downvote because an oligarchy controlled by big tech is their idea of a wet dream.

Half of the user base of HN is “founders” excited at the idea that morals, values, and laws will no longer matter.

gdulli 4 days ago||
Temporarily embarrassed founders.
giraffe_lady 4 days ago||||
I mean they are flashbanging houses, teargassing residential neighborhoods, dragging parents away from their screaming children outside of elementary schools, shooting people, all in chicago right now. The things you mention were serious problems we needed to address 5, 10, 20 years ago. We did not and now we have a very different problem to solve. We will still have to address those things but we have to deal with this first.
dgllghr 4 days ago||||
I’ve gone from thinking people are oblivious to thinking that people are willing to sacrifice a lot (democracy, individual liberties, food safety, etc.) out of fear, selfishness, and greed. It is surprising with the HN crowd though given how much less innovation and entrepreneurship there is under fascism.
BobaFloutist 4 days ago|||
Because "The rest aren't doing enough to push it back out" is the same old, tired victim blaming that comes up every time anyone points out that one American political party seems to have different policies and priorities than the other.
cboyardee 4 days ago||
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computerthings 4 days ago||
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Chinjut 4 days ago||
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tomhow 2 days ago||
This is not remotely a widely-held sentiment in the HN audience.
i80and 4 days ago|||
You almost had me for a moment.
pessimizer 4 days ago||
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array_key_first 4 days ago||
Yes, the republicans doing republican things is the democrats fault!
FireBeyond 4 days ago|||
> lack of cooperation of every Democratic Party run city and state on illegal immigration

It is not the job of state, let alone local, law enforcement to enforce federal law.

JuniperMesos 4 days ago||
Huge numbers of Venezuelans would want to leave Venezuela and immigrate to the US if they legally could, regardless of anything Trump does or doesn't do, because the US is a much richer and better-run country than Venezuela is. Working illegally for poor wages in the US is a better deal for many people than physically being in Venezuela. There's also nothing special about Venezuela in this respect, much of the world is so much poorer and badly run than the US that many people from many different places would prefer to live in the US compared to their own countries.
constantcrying 4 days ago||
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fabian2k 4 days ago||
Most people arrested by ICE now have no criminal record.
galagawinkle489 4 days ago||
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HaZeust 4 days ago||
Illegal immigration is a civil matter. Read more.
pandaman 4 days ago||
Thus nobody is arrested over immigration but is held in an administrative detention.
nyargh 4 days ago|||
Immigration is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.
zahlman 4 days ago|||
https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-en... disagrees.
nyargh 4 days ago||
In those cases yes, but ICE is disappearing people who have entered legally and are awaiting a CIVIL immigration hearing on status changes, etc. The cases you reference are a small minority of those being detained and deported.
zahlman 4 days ago||
Can you evidence any of that?
nyargh 4 days ago||
75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions per ICEs own stats, however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry so its impossible to tell from their own statistics to answer your question.

I might also add that, like it or not, asylum claims are a positive defense to illegal entry under US law and you can ONLY claim asylum upon US soil.

ICE has extreme arrest quotas now and are routinely exceeding their authority and violating the due process rights of of immigrants in thr US to meet those quotas.

zahlman 4 days ago|||
> 75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions

1. Can you cite this?

2. I assume you mean, for things other than the putative illegal entry itself. Of course, that would still have to be proven, but it is still potentially a criminal matter. Fining people who are legally not entitled to be in the country, does not remedy the fact of them being in the country without legal entitlement.

> however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry

How is this a conflation?

> I work in immigration law and can tell you that nearly all of the people we represent

The selection bias is clear; they're hiring legal representation because they have a case (and because they can afford to).

> ICE has extreme arrest quotas

Can you evidence this?

> violating the due process rights of of immigrants in thr US

What exactly do you consider that these rights consist of, and how are they being violated? Can you evidence this?

zahlman 3 days ago|||
Why was my other reply flagged? In what way did I say anything objectionable or counter to HN guidelines?
galagawinkle489 4 days ago|||
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nyargh 4 days ago||
It is not a lie, immigration, is primarily a civil issue with civil enforcement. You don't get a lawyer, you don't get your case heard in Title III courts. There are a few things that are capital C crimes related to immigration, but the bulk of the current enforcement is related it civil immigration matters.
galagawinkle489 4 days ago||
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nyargh 4 days ago||
75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions, per their own stats. This isn't goalpost shifting.

Immigration is a civil issue in the US, full stop. Immigration courts are administrative courts, not Title III criminal courts.

You are obviously a brand new bot account so I will mute you and move on.

galagawinkle489 4 days ago||
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buellerbueller 4 days ago||
And what of the non-criminals? Are you glad that the government doesnt seem to care it is wantonly violating their rights?
galagawinkle489 4 days ago||
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buellerbueller 4 days ago||
> invasion

Don't think this meets either the common or legal definition of "invasion"

>you decided it was "racist" and threw a fit every time anyone suggested it was a problem.

I decided nothing, buddy.

>If you hadn't let it become an issue,

Interesting, because the last time it was about to be taken up by congress, DJT said not to do anything about it, for political advantage. Neither side has its hands clean here.

> it wouldn't require this response.

This is the only possible response? How unimaginitive.

galagawinkle489 4 days ago||
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oklahomasports 4 days ago||
Do people think they are clever and can have defacto open borders? Maybe stop the goon squads and enforce at the employer level though it would probably work too well…
sanex 4 days ago|
Most of these people have SSNs and work permits. We let them in and let them work legally and now have suddenly changed our collective mind and are violently letting them know. It's absurd.
oklahomasports 4 days ago||
Actually there are at least ten million with no legal standing in the country at all. Did you actually just claim everyone in the country is here legally?
dashundchen 4 days ago|||
The poster did not say everyone in the country is here, you're putting words in their mouth. Presumably in bad faith.

Even non-citizens are entitled to due process and the 4th amendment. ICE is violating that left and right, citizens and legal residents included. Fuck ICE.

antonvs 4 days ago|||
> Actually there are at least ten million with no legal standing in the country at all.

Except they form an important part of the economy, and they’re here because the government has implicitly allowed and supported that for decades.

That’s not an accident, either. It’s provided a source of cheap labor, who are not enfranchised, so have no political representation.

In many respects it’s a substitute for slavery. The perpetrators here aren’t the immigrants.

reenorap 4 days ago|
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tomhow 4 days ago||
Please don't fulminate on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dragonwriter 4 days ago|||
> Minors don't have biometrics.

Minors do, in fact, have biometrics. Identification with them may be less reliable for some kinds of biometrics, but... reliability isn’t a hallmark of the current regimes “immigration enforcement” mechanisms.

> They are not obligated to have any sort of ID, especially citizens.

This is also true of adults, who are not obligated to have or carry ID if they are citizens (immigrants, both minors and adults, are a different story, are required to have ID, and are required to have biometrics taken unless they are under 14.)

Obviously, it can’t rule out citizens (though it could compare to databases available to the feds, which I would assume state ID databases are), since not all citizens will have biometrics of any kind, or even ID photos on file, but if they have presumed that the targets are immigrants, then scanning can be used to compare to records of documented immigrants, reinforcing (note I do not say justiying) the conclusion tha they are illegally present if it fails to match.

They can also be used to build intelligence databases of contacts even if not used to support immediate detention.

> Also, what in the fuck would CBP be doing in Chicago?

CBP, and more specifically Border Patrol, the main enforcement agency within CBP, is everywhere the Administration’s immhration crackdown is beig executed, and much of the most violent “immigration enforcement” attributed to “ICE” is actually Border Patrol, not ICE.

solid_fuel 4 days ago|||
> This entire encounter is fake.

No, this entire encounter is illegal. It is a crime, being committed by the republican administration running the federal government and endorsed by every republican in congress who has declined to reign in the illegal behavior of the trump administration.

It is, however, very real. If you reside in American, then this is the reality you live in, imposed upon you by republican voters. You don't get to just plug your ears and cover your eyes.

fatbird 4 days ago||
This entire encounter is fake.

What are you talking about? CBP has been in Illinois for weeks. Greg Bovino, their commander, has been hauled before a judge this week to testify about how CBP (and he, personally) have violated the judge's TRO against unjustified use of tear gas [0].

This is very basic factual stuff that's in the news every day. How do you not know this is going on?

[0] https://abc7chicago.com/post/ice-chicago-news-border-patrol-...

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