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Posted by birriel 2 days ago

Pomelli(blog.google)
https://labs.google.com/pomelli/about/
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WarOnPrivacy 2 days ago|
Link goes to a page with a minimal hint and a video.

Their blog post has some detail: https://blog.google/technology/google-labs/pomelli/

Kagi said the "Key features and functionalities of Pomelli include:

    Content Generation: Pomelli can generate various marketing assets 
    such as social posts and ad creatives by analyzing
    a company's website to understand its brand identity
    
    Brand DNA: The tool builds a "Business DNA" from a company's 
    website to ensure generated content is consistent with the brand's identity

    Campaign Creation: It aims to generate entire on-brand marketing 
    campaigns with minimal user input

    Editable Assets: The generated campaign assets are editable

    Canva Alternative: Pomelli is positioned as a competitor
    to design tools like Canva"
dang 2 days ago||
OK, we'll put that link at the top and https://labs.google.com/pomelli/about/ in the toptext. Thanks!
emmelaich 2 days ago|||
I've heard of a little cost cutting at Canva. Some point to a possible IPO next year. But also I wonder if AI generally and products like this are causing increased competition.
echelon 2 days ago|||
Is Google going to put all of its API users out of business?

Seems like Google will kill a whole bunch of SaaS companies with this.

thelifeofrishi 2 days ago||
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esperent 2 days ago||
From your Twitter:

> founder @orshotapp

Maybe you should mention that when advertising your app?

tavavex 2 days ago|||
Manually mentioning my conflict of interest when astroturf-advertising my product? That sounds way too tedious, inconvenient and inefficient. You have to remember to check if you're advertising right now, and there's not even an easy API to call for that. Now, I was just looking around the web the other day, and randomly stumbled into this brand new service, TavAutoAdMention, it's so good! I love its creator, too!
thelifeofrishi 1 day ago|||
hehe
koakuma-chan 2 days ago||
It's pretty bad. It generates mangled text and objects with bad proportions.
vasco 2 days ago||
Now google can sell you the AI that will design the ads for you that you will pay Google to serve. So nice of them.

Still waiting for the AI LLM based ad autobidder so that I can just plug a machine to Google and press the "give them all my money" button.

dennisy 2 days ago||
Lots of startups are launching in this space. Creating ad copy and assets is obviously a hot idea.

I would love to hear what people’s takes on the market dynamics are, especially if any of the YC founders working in this space see this!

Aldipower 1 day ago||
It really does not help me as a small business if Pomelli creates (shitty) AI content, but does not open the gates to actually reach people/customers.

From the article: "..like your social media, your site and your ads..."

I failed with my platform in the sense of online marketing. Although the platform itself did not fail, it has a solid user-base, but not enough reach to make a living from it.

Why did I fail from a marketing perspective? Because my social media, blog, ad words, etc. all do not have enough reach! The human made content itself is good and never was the problem. Reach it is!

This tool would not solve my problems.

neom 1 day ago|
Do you know how reach happens though? Because if you don't, I suppose you wouldn't know if this tool was appropriate or not? (not saying that to be rude btw, just sayin!)
Aldipower 1 day ago||
This tool is a content generator. It does not create reach. So I think I do not get your question? If you read the Pomelli article it states in the first sentences that Pomelli will help small businesses by creating campaigns. "Pomelli is an AI marketing tool designed to help SMBs more easily generate scalable, on-brand social media campaigns to help grow their businesses." But my point is, those campaigns are useless, if you do not have reach already. So, Pomelli does actually not help small business as they are stating, but instead is wasting your time and money, because you will end up in buying some ad words from Google.
neom 1 day ago||
Content is a component of reach.

Reach happens through channel marketing virally, virally typical happens via novelty.

Creative humans can use any tool to execute reach, this particular tool seems it would be a good one for that, in fact.

Aldipower 1 day ago||
Yes, content is _one_ component of reach, but without reach useless. And good content does not lead automatically to reach. Reach is developed by a lot of factors, channel marketing is also only one _minor_ factor of it. This tool does not help significantly with building all of that reputation you need to be trusted and gaining reach. It can't, because it does not create new channels and connections between humans.
neom 1 day ago||
With all due respect, this is simply a tool for creating content, one component of being able to reach people in channels where they consume your novel and interesting messages that both stand out and are shared, such they are aware of your amazing and unique product or service.

It's not correct in business to blame a tool for a lack of creativity, some people are not very creative, those people tend to struggle with reach and therefore their attempt at a business, fails. I built 2 publicly traded businesses this way.

Aldipower 1 day ago||
I do not blame the tool itself, I blame the article/announcement. Sorry, if I expressed myself not precisely enough.
rich_sasha 2 days ago||
Dare I ask: who owns the IP to all the generated content? User? Google? Some complex arrangement governed by a 20-page ToS?
userbinator 2 days ago|
AFAIK and this may have changed, but at least in the US, AI-generated content is not copyrightable so it's effectively public-domain.
bayarearefugee 2 days ago|||
I think in reality its very much still undecided law in most ways that practically matter and a lot of decisions will still be made based on the pay rates of the lawyers for the different parties involved.

As a simple example, assume a specific LLM-based tool (like Google's own, or someone else's) happens to generate a social media mascot for you that looks a lot like the modern rendition of Mickey Mouse.

Let's see how long that creation flies as public domain because it came out of an AI (that almost certainly consumed a giant amount of content produced by Disney as part of its training).

thih9 2 days ago||
Such content is already available. As an experiment I entered “zombie elsa” into google and I found some very disturbing youtube videos, e.g.: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M5urB3u4aRk .

If you want a specific tool, here is Elsa with a cigarette generated using Midjourney and more: https://journeyaiart.com/tag/Elsa .

0x62 2 days ago||||
It's not that any content created by AI is not copyrightable, it's that work created solely by AI without human input is probably not copyrightable.

See also [1] mentioned in the framework linked by sibling comment, AI copyright is essentially a logical extension of this.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...

trenchpilgrim 2 days ago||||
That's incorrect. Start at "legal framework" on kage 7: https://www.copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-Artificial-Intell...

The short version is the copyright office says it is possible works by creative human authors using AI tools are partially copyrightable in many cases.

rich_sasha 2 days ago||||
Copyright or not, surely there's ToS that you're expected to just click through and not read.
galaxyLogic 2 days ago|||
This is what I've been pondering, people are using Claude etc. to produce software. Do they think about this copyright issue at all? Basically whatever they produce with Claude should be not copyrightable.

But what happens if they MIX some of their own code with AI-generated code, is that combination then their copyright? With such combined output it would be very difficult to determine which part was created by human, which by AI, and which by AI but slightly modified by human.

In the domain of graphics the AI could put in some markers which tells the graphic is AI-generated, but with code that is probabaly not possible, code is code and can always be edited by humans.

A separate question is that if I use Claude to generate some code but then stamp the output with my copyright notice, am I doing something illegal?

cmoski 1 day ago||
I didn't see anywhere on the page the date when they plan to kill the product...
anonymous344 1 day ago||
cannot google afford to make a decent product video ?? instead of this awfulness %@^@&#
tuananh 2 days ago||
this will kill a bunch of startups.
Workaccount2 1 day ago||
The AI start-up field is going to be eviscerated. I too have the irresistible urge to bolt a SOTA LLM back end on a custom harness and charge $20/mo, but the total lack of a moat and ease of replication kills any motivation.

You have to either have some big cajones or be totally lost to think it's a good idea to create a startup that is just a simple cheap veil on someone else's extremely advanced and expensive product

doctorpangloss 2 days ago|||
No matter how it pans out.

If no one uses it, that means the market has proven, no audience for this kind of product. Google loses, everyone else loses.

If everyone who wants this sort of thing uses it, that's it, Google won, everyone else loses.

The outcome to sell to investors is the least believable: people will pay for some offering when a nearly identical one is available directly from Google for free. And anyway, they have the best generative creative tech, so how could anything be better than Google's?

dennisy 2 days ago|||
Yeah, I was thinking the same. Quite a few YC companies are going after this.

What sort of market dynamics do people predict here, winner takes all? Especially when this is integrated into the platforms of distribution.

xyzal 2 days ago||
Bill Hicks would not mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdjQICcD-XA

nextworddev 2 days ago|
Just how many Gen ai products are they half assedly launching (in case of Google).
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