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Posted by delaugust 11/19/2025

AI is a front for consolidation of resources and power(www.chrbutler.com)
545 points | 448 commentspage 4
amelius 11/20/2025|
Yes it's like the internet. First we thought it was a bubble. But then it turned out that it was actually a way for companies to keep us under surveillance and to sell us stuff without giving up ownership. And expensive subscriptions.
johnnienaked 11/22/2025||
Drive out to a datacenter and see for yourself. They're built right next to substations and water reservoirs. That can't be a coincidence.
zrn900 11/20/2025||
Could have been, or rather, they thought it would, but the open models from China that you can just run locally are changing the game. Distributing power instead of concentrating it.
wartywhoa23 11/20/2025||
I can't remember the last time I heard anything about blockchain in the HN top.

Seems like AI killed blockchain just like the war in Ukraine killed COVID.

coolThingsFirst 11/20/2025||
It doesn’t matter they murdered software engineering and destroyed tens of thousands of careers once it bursts it will be an oops and onto the next hype.
philipkglass 11/19/2025||
I think that what is really behind the AI bubble is the same thing behind most money, power, and influence: land and resources. The AI future that is promised, whether to you and me or to the billionaires, requires the same thing: lots of energy, lots of land, and lots of water.

If you just wanted land, water, and electricity, you could buy them directly instead of buying $100 million of computer hardware bundled with $2 million worth of land and water rights. Why are high end GPUs selling in record numbers if AI is just a cover story for the acquisition of land, electricity, and water?

bix6 11/19/2025||
But with this play they can inflate their company holdings and cash out in new rounds. It’s the ultimate self enrichment scheme! Nobody wants that crappy piece of land but now it’s got GPUs and we can leverage that into a loan for more GPUs and cash out along the way.
exceptione 11/19/2025|||
Valid question. What the OP talks about though is that these things were not for sale normally. My takeaway from his essay is that a few oligarchs get a pass to take over all energy, by means of a manufactured crisis.

  When a private company can construct what is essentially a new energy city with no people and no elected representation, and do this dozens of times a year across a nation to the point that half a century of national energy policy suddenly gets turned on its head and nuclear reactors are back in style, you have a sudden imbalance of power that looks like a cancer spreading within a national body. 

He could have explained that better. Try to not look at the media drama the political actors give you each day, but look at the agenda the real powers laid bare

- Trump is threatening an oil rich neighbor with war. A complete expensive as hell army blowing up 'drug boats' (claim) to make help the press sell it as a war on drugs. Yeah right.

- Green energy projects, even running ones, get cancelled. Energy from oil and nuclear are both capital intensive and at the same time completely out-shined by solar and battery tech. So the energy card is a strong one to direct policy towards your interests.

If you can turn the USA into a resource economy like Russia, than you can rule like a Russian oligarch. That is also why the admin sees no problem in destroying academia or other industries via tariffs; controlling resources is easier and more predictable than having to rely on an educated populace that might start to doubt the promise of the American Dream.

amunozo 11/19/2025||
I did not think about it that way, but it makes perfect sense. And it is really scary. It hasn't even been a year since Trump's second term started. We still have three more years left.
kjkjadksj 11/19/2025||
Because then you can buy calls on the GPU companies
Animats 11/19/2025||
It's pretty clear that the financialization aspect of AI is a bubble. There's way too much market cap created by trading debt back and forth. How well AI will work remains an open question at this point.
milesskorpen 11/19/2025|
It's a big number - but still less than tech industry profits.
Octoth0rpe 11/19/2025||
That is true, but not evenly distributed. Oracle for example: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2025/11/oracl...

Also, it may be true that these companies theoretically have the cash flow to cover to spending, but that doesn't mean that they will be comfortable with that risk, especially as that risk becomes more likely in some kind of mass extinction event amongst AI startups. To concretize that a bit, the remote possibility of having to give up all your profits for 2 years to payoff DC investment is fine at 1% chance of happening, but maybe not so ok at a 40% chance.

msarrel 11/21/2025||
Isn't everything a front for consolidation of resources and power?
solsane 11/21/2025||
Scaling laws are irrefutable. There is no doubt that computers will be able to learn more than any humans, after all we're not outgrowing our skulls. The last mile is just tweaking how we define optimality and providing integration points. Everyone investing in this knows this at some level.

What's happening now is already pretty incredible given the understanding that we're basically still at the 'chat bot' stage for most people. The idea of agency is still very, very recent, but it's understandable that most people (particularly non SDs) are not impressed.

It's easy to look at the present and be cynical. If it is only able to solve your problem 95% of the time, you still can't trust it. I think the bets are really about how far we are from 99%, even for random stuff. The fact that a chatbot that was never explicitly trained to, just by predicting next probable tokens is wild. The pace of improvement in the past 5 years has been dizzying.

I'm not out here trying to put a dollar amount on it. But certainly, there is going to be a lot of money to be made. Of course it's a front for money and power. But like... isn't that the point of a corporation?

p5v 11/20/2025|
And so has been every other paradigm shift in human existence.
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