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Posted by mips_avatar 12/3/2025

Everyone in Seattle hates AI(jonready.com)
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qoez 12/3/2025|
It's probably good if some portion of the engineering culture is irrationally against AI and like refuses to adopt it sort of amish style. There's probably a ton still good work that can only be done if every aspect of a product/thing is given focused human attention to it, some that might out-compete AI aided ones.
ktzar 12/3/2025|
I think you hit the nail in the head there. There's absolutely nothing we can do with AI that we can't do without it. And the level of understanding of a large codebase that a solid group of engineers has is paramount to moving fast once the product is live.
seanmcdirmid 12/3/2025||
> level of understanding of a large codebase that a solid group of engineers has is paramount to moving fast once the product is live.

Trying hiring and retaining that solid group of engineers if you are a small/mid sized company without FAANG-level resources to offer.

AstroBen 12/3/2025||
I'm not surprised you're getting bad reactions from people who aren't already bought-in. You're starting from a firm "I'm right! They're wrong!" with no attempt to understand the other side. I'm sure that comes across not just in your writing
neutronicus 12/3/2025||
It's satisfying to hear that Microsoft engineers hate Microsoft's AI offerings as much as I do.

Visual Studio is great. IntelliSense is great. Nothing open-source works on our giant legacy C++ codebase. IntelliSense does.

Claude is great. Claude can't deal with millions of lines of C++.

You know what would be great? If Microsoft gave Claude the ability to semantic search the same way that I can with Ctrl-, in Visual Studio. You know what would be even better? If it could also set breakpoints and inspect stuff in the Debugger.

You know what Microsoft has done? Added a setting to Visual Studio where I can replace the IntelliSense auto-complete UI, that provides real information determined from semantic analysis of the codebase and allows me to cycle through a menu of possibilities, with an auto-complete UI that gives me a single suggestion of complete bullshit.

Can't you put the AI people and the Visual Studio people in a fucking room together? Figure out how LLMs can augment your already-really-good-before-AI product? How to leverage your existing products to let Claude do stuff that Claude Code can't do?

1zael 12/3/2025||
I don't think the root cause here is AI. It's the repeated pattern of resistance to massive technological change by system-level incentives. This story has happened again and again throughout recent history.

I expect it to settle out in a few years where: 1. The fiduciary duties of company shareholders will bring them to a point of stopping to chase AI hype and instead derive an understanding of whether it's driving real top-line value for their business or not. 2. Mid to senior career engineers will have no choice but to level up their AI skills to stay relevant in the modern workforce.

bgwalter 12/3/2025||
Wanderfugl is a strange for an "AI" powered map. The Wandervogel movement was against industrialization and pro nature. I'm sure they would have looked down on iPhones and centralized "AI" that gives them instructions where to go.

Again a somewhat positive term (if you focus on "back to nature" and ignore the nationalist parts) is taken, assimilated and turned on its head.

ryanwhitney 12/3/2025||
Our (on-the-way-out) mayor likes it!

"I said, Imagine how cool would this be if we had like, a 10-foot wall. It’s interactive and it’s historical. And you could talk to Martin Luther King, and you could say, ‘Well, Dr, Martin Luther King, I’ve always wanted to meet you. What was your day like today? What did you have for breakfast?’ And he comes back and he talks to you right now."

esoterae 12/5/2025||
Where does one begin with this kind of fallacy-ridden mud slinging? Appeals to both authority and majority, and guilt by location just to name the first three.

So what if "everyone in Seattle hates AI"? What gives The Author the right to simultaneously invalidate Seattle's comparatively immeasurably larger advantage in experience, qualification, and education? If even the ludicrously biased title had even the barest hint of truth to it, they've stacked the deck against themselves in credibility unless they've already mentally biased themselves to blindly dismiss anyone that doesn't mirror their own now blatant fanaticism. Which we've already established now includes all of Seattle.

So put this out on the curb with the rest of the garbage meant to inflame and divide, because on it's face it is neither reasonable nor factual.

rr808 12/3/2025||
We have these weekly rah rah AI meetings where we swap tips on what we've achieved with copilot and devin. Mostly crickets but everyone is talking with lots of enthusiasm. Its starting to get silly though now, most people can't even get the tools to do anything useful more than trivial things we used to see on stack overflow.
exasperaited 12/3/2025||
It’s like you saw all the evidence and drew the conclusion you were most comfortable with, despite what the evidence suggests.
toast0 12/3/2025|
> After a pause I tried to share how much better I've been feeling—how AI tools helped me learn faster, how much they accelerated my work on Wanderfugl. I didn't fully grok how tone deaf I was being though. She's drowning in resentment.

Here's the deal. Everyone I know who is infatuated with AI shares things AI told them with me, unsolicited, and it's always so amazingly garbage, but they don't see it or they apologize it away [1]. And this garbage is being shoved in my face from every angle --- my browser added it, my search engine added it, my desktop OS added it, my mobile OS added it, some of my banks are pushing it, AI comment slop is ruining discussion forums everywhere (even more than they already were, which is impressive!). In the mean time, AI is sucking up all the GPUs, all the RAM, and all the kWH.

If AI is actually working for you, great, but you're going to have to show it. Otherwise, I'm just going to go into my cave and come out in 5 years and hope things got better.

[1] Just a couple days ago, my spouse was complaining to her friend about a change that Facebook made, and her friend pasted an AI suggestion for how to fix it with like 7 steps that were all fabricated. That isn't helpful at all. It's even less helpful than if the friend just suggested to contact support and/or delete the facebook account.

jonners00 12/3/2025||
>It's even less helpful than if the friend just suggested to contact support and/or delete the facebook account.

To be fair, pretty much all advice in life is less helpful than 'delete the facebook account'

TulliusCicero 12/3/2025|||
I've recently found that it can be a useful substitute for stackoverflow. It does occasionally make shit up, but stackoverflow and forums searching also has a decently high miss rate as well, so that doesn't piss me off too much. And it's usually immediately obvious when a method doesn't exist, so it doesn't waste a lot of time for each incident.

Specifically I was using Gemini to answer questions about Godot specifically for C# (not gdscript or using the IDE, where documentation and forums support are stronger), and it was mostly quite good for that.

cwillu 12/3/2025|||
It's like porn: use it privately if you have to, but don't make it my problem.
lazystar 12/4/2025||
speaking of caves...

I just picked up an old gamecube. it's refreshing to play purely offline content from an age without any AI art of any kind. some games, like animal crossing, will break in 2031 though, so there's only a good 5 more years left to enjoy it.

toast0 12/4/2025||
Well, the Gamecube is probably fine, but the Dreamcast was thinking, so watch out :P

I know Animal Crossing is sensitive to the RTC, but could you set the clock back 28 years and go from there? You'll have the same days of the week and what not, just the year number will be wrong.

lazystar 12/5/2025||
yeah, been thinking about that... but itd feel kinda weird. my village (named Seattle, funny enough) is ~20 years old, and has both mine and my younger brother's characters. Whatever I decide to do with it in 2031, it'll feel like an ending.
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