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Posted by italophil 2 days ago

Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri(www.reuters.com)
https://archive.md/x0Sxc
393 points | 675 commentspage 7
OhMeadhbh 1 day ago|
This makes me want to run for President on the platform of Comic Sans for all government documents.
3836293648 1 day ago||
The motivation is truly awful, but the result? Thank goodness. Calibri just screams unprofessional
reneberlin 1 day ago||
"To serif or not to serif?" that is now a question of our Times.
ChrisArchitect 2 days ago||
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46212438
seydor 1 day ago||
Does that mean there will be a Times Caesar , a Times Lady , a Times Mistress and Universal Times new Rome Time? What a Time to be alive
oldsklgdfth 1 day ago||
Slightly tangential, is there any chance this is motivated by profit or someone making money off this?

Otherwise, seems kinda benign and random.

embedding-shape 1 day ago||
Attention is a limited resource. When people spend it on something, they cannot spend it on something else at the same time. If you want to get away with something unpopular, do lots of unpopular things so the really bad stuff gets mixed in with all the rest. From the outside, it all looks very benign and random.
rcpt 1 day ago||
It's probably to ensure people keep talking about "woke" which tends to be good for the right.
icecube123 1 day ago||
Its exactly this. Choosing a font that makes things easier for disabled people, and those with limited sight is far too “woke” for 2025.
mhd 1 day ago||
Don't a lot of courts use/mandate Century? Just use that. Better than TNR. If you can't afford a custom font…
Hizonner 2 days ago||
I'm mostly surprised it wasn't Fraktur.

How pitiful do you have to be as Secretary of State to get into minutiae about fonts, anyway?

SpicyLemonZest 1 day ago||
As pitiful as the last guy, apparently? As the article says, the decision to switch to Calibri in the first place came directly from Blinken. (I try not to get into anti-anti-Trump discourse, but getting worked up about fonts seems counterproductive to me.)
unethical_ban 1 day ago|||
Neither of these decisions likely originated with the SoS themselves. I say the reasoning matters, though.

You can try to avoid the discourse, but if you're American then you're in it. This administration is destroying the country for many reasons: profit, hatred of democracy, racism, control. And FWIW, it's the current administration foaming at the mouth about a font change, not the last one.

In this case, the decision is solely because the last guy did something and they can't let anything from the last administration stand.

Let's say, in an alternate universe where Rubio's department genuinely thought there were cost or coordination issues with Calibri. They could have reversed the decision and cited that. But no: Making a font that is more compatible with screen reader technology is woke. Their words, not mine.

tpmoney 1 day ago|||
> Let's say, in an alternate universe where Rubio's department genuinely thought there were cost or coordination issues with Calibri. They could have reversed the decision and cited that.

So apparently Daring Fireball (of all places) got their hands on the full memo text[1]. And in all of the text, there are 2 sentences total that refer to DEI at all, the rest of it is talking about those coordination and cost issues. So I guess they did do that, they just also had to take their shots at DEI because why be in politics these days if you can't virtue signal even the most standard of decisions.

[1]: https://daringfireball.net/misc/2025/12/state-department-ret...

SpicyLemonZest 1 day ago|||
"Woke" is not, in fact, their words. The source article doesn't quote Rubio as saying "woke". The NY Times coverage (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/09/us/politics/rubio-state-d...) goes into a lot more detail than Reuters, as is typical; they don't publish the full text of the order (IIUC this is common to protect sources), but they say Rubio cited a number of coordination and messaging issues, along with a metric of document accessibility requests which he says did not decrease in the Calibri era.

Again, I say this not to nitpick or to dispute that it's kinda silly, but to emphasize that this is a provocation you shouldn't and don't need to rise to. The State Department's font choices do not matter, and it will not hurt anyone nor create a bad permission structure if they use Times New Roman. The only possible way this story could become even a tiny bit consequential is if Democrats take the bait and radicalize against serifs.

oneeyedpigeon 1 day ago|||
They definitely did use the term 'DEI', though, which is pretty much interchangeable as far as they're concerned.
unethical_ban 1 day ago|||
Fair point that they didn't say the word woke. I'll own that criticism.

I will assert that any justification for this that could be seen as legitimate is wiped away when they write anything about "Calibri is DEI" when there were valid reasons to consider it.

And believe me, I am well aware of where this ranks in the list of sins of the administration. It's a very small, very petty action in line with their broader ethos.

watwut 1 day ago|||
Except that last guy was not pitiful about and did not had any ideological hateful proclamations.

It was choice for slightly better readability on screens. Plus that font was default in word. There were not emotional claims about it.

It is entirely valid to make fun of Rubio.

648373628229 2 days ago||
What's wrong with Fraktur?
maxnoe 2 days ago||
Fraktur is often associated with the German far right, because it's a mostly German thing that nationalists can hang on to.

Funnily enough, it was Goebbels who banned it and required everyone to change to Latin scripts.

tormeh 1 day ago||
Got to hand it to them - Fraktur is an annoying font. It looks cool, though.
thinkindie 1 day ago||
I'm amazed by all these silly priorities some people can find.
jdub 1 day ago|
There are very few ways in which US governance and/or regulation leads the developed world, but a huge (and surprising) one is the 1990 (!) Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). It is astonishingly, transformationally inclusive, and makes life better for every American (because everyone needs accessibility to different degrees, at different times).

Switching from Calibri back to Times New Roman "because DEI" 100% tracks with this administration's spiteful Project 2025 vandalism.

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