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Posted by MilnerRoute 12/14/2025

Adafruit: Arduino’s Rules Are ‘Incompatible With Open Source’(thenewstack.io)
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znpy 12/15/2025|
I would likely check the open source definition, chances are the changes are actually compatible with open source.

Maybe it should all have been free software all the time.

potato-peeler 12/15/2025||
Isn’t arduino completely open source including its PCB, firmware, IDE, etc, even accessible for commercial use?
londons_explore 12/15/2025||
This seems dumb from Qualcomms point of view...

T&C's preventing reverse engineering of an online platform seems to have no real business value. Serious hackers will ignore the T&C's, whilst serious competitors will not need to do any reverse engineering to build an online compiler.

archerx 12/15/2025||
>Adafruit’s Torrone had also said Arduino’s new documents “introduce an irrevocable, perpetual license over anything users upload.”

Yea that's gonna be a hard pass for me. Thank goodness for the Pi Pico which means I'll never have to use Arduino ever again. On a side note, the new Arduino IDE based on Monaco looked nice but made development so painful I just stopped. I had to keep disconnecting and reconnecting devices all the time to upload sketches when before with the old IDE that was never an issue. Everything Arduino feels like a regression.

benbojangles 12/15/2025||
I have gotten into platformio cli and find it much easier to program an MCU this way
kevin_thibedeau 12/15/2025||
They should team up with Sparkfin and establish a new open platform.
matt3210 12/15/2025||
We knew it would go this way when they were acquired
SV_BubbleTime 12/15/2025||
After Qualcomm bought them? Who could have seen this coming? Hang on while I get back to arguing with my MSP that I really would prefer ProxMox over HyperV to replace VMWare.
ocdtrekkie 12/15/2025||
I did some evaluating on this option and there's definitely complexity to bear in mind: Proxmox has worse support for my storage and backup solutions, and if the MSP you are working with has a ton of experience on Hyper-V migrations and limited Proxmox experience, the support you get will lack.

I will say I'd eventually love to have my day job environment on Proxmox but it isn't quite ready to be there today. No shade to anyone who is able to be there by any means, but I think it's fair to say hypervisors aren't something you want to choose on vibes alone.

SV_BubbleTime 12/15/2025||
100% nailed my current issue.

We need to get off of VMWare as the min license for us is now $15k pre year… from $3k. But the MSP knows the support for ProxMox isn’t there, and they have SLA contracts to uphold.

I’m going to have to HyperV which I expect to have the same issues as VMWare soon enough/someday.

ocdtrekkie 12/15/2025||
IMHO the key thing is to build your ability to switch. VMware did this because nobody has plans to switch their hypervisor. Learn to.

If you go to Hyper-V this year, leave yourself the flexibility to move away from it in a couple years. Choose backup solutions and storage solutions which enable flexibility.

SV_BubbleTime 12/15/2025||
Any recommendation on how we would do that?

We back up VM’s with Veeam, but we don’t back up the content outside of the VM presence if that makes any sense.

They’re effectively telling me we go to hypervisor this year before Feb for VMWare billing reasons. And my hope is that by the time I get tired of HyperV, or we need to move that a solution exists to convert to next.

It’s either that, or they’re trying to sell me on scale computing VM’s and their hardware.

ocdtrekkie 12/15/2025|||
Veeam is a good start because they already support a bunch of hypervisors and are working on more. But for example, Veeam can't yet do replication with Proxmox, but it can with VMware and Hyper-V.

For hardware, I'd avoid going in on hypervisor platforms that need you to buy their specific hardware. Your standard Dell, HP, Lenovo servers can run almost anything, but if you buy a hyperconverged system you are going to get yourself locked in.

A big lesson I learned is: Make sure to divide up your storage pools enough! There's no easy way to gradually migrate if your storage array is one big VMware VMFS file system.

ocdtrekkie 12/15/2025|||
Oh, one more thing: Straight up ask other vendors about hypervisor support. If I'm having a conversation about another type of product and they tell me they support VMware and Hyper-V, I'm going to ask them what to expect if I switch to Proxmox in a couple years.

The way a vendor answers this won't just help you avoid future lock in, it'll likely reveal a lot about a company's confidence in their product and their support team.

MomsAVoxell 12/15/2025||
Proxmox is awesome, just do it. Ask for forgiveness not permission.
shevy-java 12/15/2025|
It's sad that they are killing Arduino.
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