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Posted by anigbrowl 3 days ago

Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use(www.thegamer.com)
185 points | 401 commentspage 2
10xDev 3 days ago|
You need to separate AI usage from automating certain parts of a pipeline from end to end creation.

Taking a scorched earth approach to AI usage is just being a luddite.

AssassinDuck 3 days ago||
I don't think this argument is going to be very compelling. The people whom you would be trying to convince here, would just argue that the Luddites were correct in their fight against human labor being displaced. They'll argue that the power artisans had over their work was diminished with the advent of the loom, just like the power artists have over their labor is being diminished right now.
PunchyHamster 3 days ago|||
That's very easy problem to solve, take the things from them that were created thanks to problems, they will change mind quickly
JKCalhoun 3 days ago||||
I don't disagree with your point, but regardless of how you or I feel about it, this flap will likely seem quaint a decade from now. It's the unstoppable way the world is moving.

I'd love for them to create a separate category for "Best non-AI game". They can fight it out over that award. Perhaps then in a decade or so they will quietly let the award category fade away.

10xDev 3 days ago||||
No you are just not understanding the difference between changing and optimising workflow from displacing creativity and artists.
soerxpso 3 days ago|||
You don't really need to win an argument with luddites. Completely rejecting extremely useful technology and then picking a fight with people who don't is a way to speedrun losing, whether you have "compelling arguments" or not. If the Luddites were correct, they wouldn't be dead.
asadotzler 3 days ago||
So living or dying proves right and wrong? So, if the Polish were right the Germans wouldn't have massacred millions of them? What a garbage position.
113 3 days ago||
What's wrong with being a Luddite?
viraptor 3 days ago||
Since it's not shown in the article, the placeholder was the newspapers here; https://rl.bloat.cat/preview/pre/bn8bzvzd80ye1.jpeg?width=16... via https://rl.bloat.cat/r/expedition33/comments/1k6yv8a/does_th...
latexr 3 days ago||
That’s the after image, here’s the before (also from that thread):

https://rl.bloat.cat/preview/pre/k7zsc1nls7af1.jpeg?width=19...

This does make it a bit more suspicious. It seems unlikely they coincidentally used gen AI placeholders only for the one case where it’s absurdly obvious.

viraptor 3 days ago||
Sorry for the... clicko? Thanks for posting the right one.
Alex2037 3 days ago||
man, a reddit clone that reads exactly like reddit. what's the point, even?
latexr 3 days ago||
> what's the point, even?

Learning. From the website:

> I started it on January 13, 2023, to learn something new and improve my GNU/Linux skills.

https://bloat.cat/about/

Also, not relying on a single service for one thing is a good thing, as Reddit itself demonstrated when they closed off API access.

Alex2037 3 days ago||
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dgares 3 days ago||
That's because it's just a Reddit frontend.
delichon 3 days ago||
To be consistent, if you wish to protect workers by rejecting artificially produced assets, you should feel the same about textiles produced by industrial machinary. Either this decision was wrong or the Luddites had a good point.
JKCalhoun 3 days ago||
Sure, but for the body of folks offering a gaming award, there is little power they have over the textile industry.

To others you may be addressing, I suspect they would say the ship has already sailed on textiles. Perhaps they are trying to sink this ship before it sails.

Ekaros 3 days ago||
If the product is not made from material dug out from ground or plants or animals by only bare hands. And I mean bare hands. Is it even worth buying?
theshrike79 3 days ago||
If the worker isn’t suffering because of useless manual work, I don’t want to buy it.

Machines? Bah, humbug!

/s

peacebeard 3 days ago||
To help prevent confusion: Clair Obcur was not stripped of its record-breaking 9 awards at the Game Awards.

The Indie Game Awards, despite sounding similar to The Game Awards, is an unrelated organization that holds their awards the same week. They are small and this is their second year.

noio 3 days ago||
As an indie developer, I take much more issue with E33 falling under the “Indie” category than them using AI.
resfirestar 2 days ago||
Gamer social movements always burn bright at first, then die when they demand too much purity to reconcile with the fundamental truths: people want to make games and, when they're good, people want to play them. Trying to stop people from using (even experimenting with!) new tools is doomed, just like the old attempts to boycott games over their business models or their creators' politics/sexuality/whatever.
altairprime 18 hours ago||
Tangentially, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46369590
andersa 3 days ago||
This isn't even an indie game, with funding rivaling major studios, what are we doing?
jajuuka 19 hours ago|
Is indie music no longer indie if they sell really well? Is an indie film no longer indie if it gets too many awards? This kind of redefinition of indie as "poor people" is ahistorical and unhelpful. Indie means independent of a major studio. Which they are.
constantcrying 2 days ago||
Really makes it clear how ridiculous the mania about AI usage is. The game is great and there is absolutely nothing in it that would suggest to the player that AI was used for anything.

Putting essentially arbitrary limitation on which tools game developers are allowed to use is just nonsensical. Yes, the output of AI models can be really bad, but then a game obviously does not deserve an award. Especially for an indie game, with limited resources, AI can be a huge force multiplier. Gatekeeping awards based on these meaningless characteristics seems just very strange.

somat 2 days ago|
The real reason Clair Obscure should not have received indie game of the year in the first place is that it was developed by Sandfall interactive and published by Kepler interactive and as such is not an independent game.
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