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Posted by rbanffy 1 day ago

US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified(arstechnica.com)
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blahedo 1 day ago|
I've been wondering all year about what happens when an executive-branch office issues orders that it is not legally qualified to issue; by and large everybody has just... followed them. This may be another example (I don't know quite enough of the legal specifics in this case, though there are certainly others that are more slam-dunk-y in this respect).

What are the enforcement mechanisms here if the states in question---MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, and VA---just said "no go ahead, keep building"? What happens to the companies if they just keep building? I'm not saying they should but at this point rule-of-law has fallen apart so badly that I literally don't know what happens when the government invents a new rule and people just... disregard it. (Particularly if state-level enforcement decides not to play along.) Do they bring in the FBI? Military?

jrmg 1 day ago||
Short term punishment for states: ICE and the National Guard get sent into cities to make people feel unsafe, under the guise of an ‘immigration emergency’. Perhaps also Marines!

To punish more fully, just illegally withhold federal funds for whatever is most hurtful. Highways? Education? Healthcare?

And to your direct point, I’m sure someone could whip up a reason for the military to take over and shut down the sites if they don’t comply - this _is_ a national security matter after all.

Court system stops any of that? Just comply (or pretend to) with the letter of the ruling and try another barely-distinguishable but arguably different illegal method for the next few months while the gears of the court system grind.

What is _meant_ to stop the executive branch (meant to ‘execute’ the will of Congress, not just follow its own desires) going rogue is impeachment by Congress, but that seems like a far off prospect.

amanaplanacanal 1 day ago|||
Midterms are coming up next year.
consumer451 1 day ago||
Don't worry, there is a plan. CNN will be in new hands by that point. Reddit's r/all will be, or already is gone from the app's defaults, and much more to come!
ta9000 1 day ago||
I don’t even know liberals that watch CNN. It’s already irrelevant.
consumer451 1 day ago||
If it was truly irrelevant, then there wouldn't be billions being thrown at it.
shimman 1 day ago|||
No one said people aren't dumb with their money, but seriously look at some of the numbers that prime time CNN pulls. Twitch streamers have a large audience than prime time shows. There is a reason why cable has been dying and cable news has already dead.
consumer451 1 day ago||
Do Twitch viewers vote? Really doesn't seem like it.
Tostino 1 day ago|||
It's the airport TV's and doctor's office waiting rooms that they are bidding for at this point.
mgiampapa 1 day ago||
The doctors offices want none of it. It's all FoodTV and HGN.

There is no utility in pissing off 75% of your customers. I'm thrilled that my kid's doctor doesn't even allow patients that aren't vaccine schedule compliant.

janc_ 1 day ago|||
Doctors should never deny patients.

They can take precautions & insist on proper treatments, of course.

ta9000 1 day ago||
It’s this attitude that’s led to us being in this mess. Don’t want to listen to the doctor about basic medical advice? Don’t go to that doctor.
Tostino 1 day ago|||
I'm in Hell (FL), so more "professional offices" than not have Fox on.

Also, we are pushing hard to make sure kids aren't vaccinated at a state level it seems.

I wish I didn't have so much extended family in the area that I'd be moving away from if I left.

delfinom 1 day ago|||
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pred_ 1 day ago|||
> just said "no go ahead, keep building"? What happens to the companies if they just keep building?

As the article also touches upon, this already happened in the particular case of Revolution Wind: There, work, was forced to stop in August, then in September a federal judge blocked enforcement of the block, and work continued:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/22/judge-orsted-revolution-wind...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/offshore-wind-develo...

And “what happens” seems to be that rather than appeal, the rule-of-law deniers apparently choose to not care? Work has stopped again:

https://orsted.com/en/media/news/2025/12/revolution-wind-and...

techgnosis 1 day ago|||
I would imagine that most if not all will comply with illegal orders out of fear of retaliation, which is a very valid fear.
dmbche 1 day ago|||
These things take large amount of money from upstream, if the money is cut they can "say" what they want, nothing is getting done, from my understanding
reactordev 1 day ago||
Power of the purse, given to the executive
unsupp0rted 21 hours ago|||
What orders is the executive branch legally qualified to issue?

If they ordered sloppy joes in the white house cafeteria a federal judge would stay the order by noon the next day.

cr1895 1 day ago|||
Just something to keep in mind - the actual site of these wind farms is offshore in federal waters, and construction is subject to federal (as well as state) permits.
bell-cot 1 day ago||
Don't expect any sort of mass disobedience here. Doing anything in offshore wind requires a large, highly-skilled organization and lot of time. One firm "ahem!" from the Coast Guard, Navy, or Treasury, and that kinda org will back down.

If things fall apart so badly that the CG, USN, and Treasury don't matter - then who's paying the bills for any offshore construction, and who's protecting anything that is built from looting or seizure?

lateforwork 1 day ago||
The Saudis have enormous influence over Trump through business deals. So does Qatar through the jet they gifted Trump, and the UAE through crypto deals.

These oil rich countries are no fans of clean energy.

Is it merely coincidence, then, that Trump is canceling wind and solar projects in the United States?

Previously Trump also canceled the largest solar project in the United States. Known as Esmeralda 7, the project planned in the Nevada desert would have produced enough energy to power nearly two million homes.

verdverm 1 day ago||
It's more the Scottish that caused this than the oil princes, the windmill stuff is all about petty hatred from losing a court case and now one of his precious golf courses has windmills visible out on the ocean for a few of the holes

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15l3knp4xyo

lateforwork 1 day ago||
But he didn't just cancel wind projects. He cancelled solar. He cancelled EV tax credits.

Then Trump went a step further: He is using tariffs to pressure other countries to relax their pledges to fight climate change and instead burn more oil, gas and coal [1].

The oil princes are getting their moneys worth.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/climate/trump-internation...

verdverm 1 day ago||
the rest are more "a bonus" than the RCA, which is pettiness at his core and a constant seeing anything and everything as a slight against him

how and why the republican/maga party wholeheartedly adopted Trump's grievances as their own is beyond me

hristov 1 day ago|||
The Arab Gulf states have also been pumping billions into Jared Cushner investment vehicles.

https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-says-15bn-qatar-uae-c...

kevin_thibedeau 1 day ago|||
> jet they gifted Trump

The jet was gifted to the American people. There's no reason why he should be allowed to fly on it. It goes in the library with the rest of the state gifts.

selimthegrim 1 day ago||
Stop giving him ideas. He’s gonna put a hangar right next to the east wing ballroom and shove it in there like the Spruce Goose
braincat31415 1 day ago|||
It's actually the other way around; the Saudis are only able to sell their oil because the oil money is flowing into US treasuries and other financial instruments, and it has been like this since the 70s.
Moldoteck 1 day ago||
not just that. Fossils are/were the guarantee of US dollar dominance. Huge $ are made purely by the fact most fossils transactions are in $. It's not in the interest of US to reduce the influence of fossils, especially now when it's the biggest exporter. Trump is ... trump... his actions can be anyway between personal biased hate or US strategical decision...
dalyons 1 day ago||
It’s always personal hate, or personal grift. There is no strategy here
Surac 1 day ago||
i have the feeling the real reason is "drill baby drill". The actual administration does not hide it's love for carbon based energy
CommenterPerson 1 day ago||
The $445 million campaign contribution / bribe from Big Oil is clearly paying off.
egberts1 21 hours ago||
As one who worked on over the horizon radar (OTH-B), ground clutter is a major impediment to accurate detection, identification, and correlation of an object.

Same principle applies for water as it is in air.

shmerl 1 day ago||
Of course they'll classify the actual reason - government corruption.
willis936 1 day ago|
It's a matter of national security that the public not know the government is illegitimate.
t1234s 1 day ago||
The US doesn't want to piss off all the USO's zipping around underwater.
pkaeding 1 day ago|
Yep, this is what I was thinking. It was part of the detente negotiated to end the "drone" hysteria about this time last year.
Ayanonymous 1 day ago||
I found this article interesting as someone still learning about how energy policy and renewable projects interact with government decisions. It’s surprising to see how national security concerns are being used to pause offshore wind construction, and I’m curious how this will affect both the industry and broader energy goals. Thanks for the clear overview!
Havoc 1 day ago||
US bribery system eh I mean fossil fuel lobby strikes again
josefritzishere 1 day ago|
Pure idiocracy.
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