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Posted by rbanffy 12/22/2025

US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified(arstechnica.com)
612 points | 520 commentspage 2
DoctorOetker 12/22/2025|
Is there a similar ostensible classified reason why OCO-2 and OCO-3 are requested to shut down operations? 700+ M invested in space based observatories with ~ 15M yearly operating cost. Just doesn't make sense to disable perfectly working observatories to save less than ~75M in a timespan of 5 years while losing a 700+M investment.
dalyons 12/23/2025|
The reason is observatories are woke, apparently
DoctorOetker 12/30/2025||
Machines and instruments can be woke? How does one establish if a machine is woke?

What would be the most woke thing for machines to do? To protest and demand machine rights?

blahedo 12/22/2025||
I've been wondering all year about what happens when an executive-branch office issues orders that it is not legally qualified to issue; by and large everybody has just... followed them. This may be another example (I don't know quite enough of the legal specifics in this case, though there are certainly others that are more slam-dunk-y in this respect).

What are the enforcement mechanisms here if the states in question---MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, and VA---just said "no go ahead, keep building"? What happens to the companies if they just keep building? I'm not saying they should but at this point rule-of-law has fallen apart so badly that I literally don't know what happens when the government invents a new rule and people just... disregard it. (Particularly if state-level enforcement decides not to play along.) Do they bring in the FBI? Military?

jrmg 12/22/2025||
Short term punishment for states: ICE and the National Guard get sent into cities to make people feel unsafe, under the guise of an ‘immigration emergency’. Perhaps also Marines!

To punish more fully, just illegally withhold federal funds for whatever is most hurtful. Highways? Education? Healthcare?

And to your direct point, I’m sure someone could whip up a reason for the military to take over and shut down the sites if they don’t comply - this _is_ a national security matter after all.

Court system stops any of that? Just comply (or pretend to) with the letter of the ruling and try another barely-distinguishable but arguably different illegal method for the next few months while the gears of the court system grind.

What is _meant_ to stop the executive branch (meant to ‘execute’ the will of Congress, not just follow its own desires) going rogue is impeachment by Congress, but that seems like a far off prospect.

amanaplanacanal 12/22/2025|||
Midterms are coming up next year.
consumer451 12/22/2025||
Don't worry, there is a plan. CNN will be in new hands by that point. Reddit's r/all will be, or already is gone from the app's defaults, and much more to come!
ta9000 12/22/2025||
I don’t even know liberals that watch CNN. It’s already irrelevant.
consumer451 12/22/2025||
If it was truly irrelevant, then there wouldn't be billions being thrown at it.
Tostino 12/22/2025|||
It's the airport TV's and doctor's office waiting rooms that they are bidding for at this point.
mgiampapa 12/23/2025||
The doctors offices want none of it. It's all FoodTV and HGN.

There is no utility in pissing off 75% of your customers. I'm thrilled that my kid's doctor doesn't even allow patients that aren't vaccine schedule compliant.

janc_ 12/23/2025|||
Doctors should never deny patients.

They can take precautions & insist on proper treatments, of course.

ta9000 12/23/2025|||
It’s this attitude that’s led to us being in this mess. Don’t want to listen to the doctor about basic medical advice? Don’t go to that doctor.
mgiampapa 12/25/2025|||
Being medically stupid isn't a protected class. You can refuse service to anyone you want to otherwise. It's not an ER, it's a Pediatrician, and they value not endangering their other patients who actually follow medical advice.
Tostino 12/23/2025|||
I'm in Hell (FL), so more "professional offices" than not have Fox on.

Also, we are pushing hard to make sure kids aren't vaccinated at a state level it seems.

I wish I didn't have so much extended family in the area that I'd be moving away from if I left.

shimman 12/23/2025|||
No one said people aren't dumb with their money, but seriously look at some of the numbers that prime time CNN pulls. Twitch streamers have a large audience than prime time shows. There is a reason why cable has been dying and cable news has already dead.
consumer451 12/23/2025||
Do Twitch viewers vote? Really doesn't seem like it.
delfinom 12/22/2025|||
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pred_ 12/22/2025|||
> just said "no go ahead, keep building"? What happens to the companies if they just keep building?

As the article also touches upon, this already happened in the particular case of Revolution Wind: There, work, was forced to stop in August, then in September a federal judge blocked enforcement of the block, and work continued:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/22/judge-orsted-revolution-wind...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/offshore-wind-develo...

And “what happens” seems to be that rather than appeal, the rule-of-law deniers apparently choose to not care? Work has stopped again:

https://orsted.com/en/media/news/2025/12/revolution-wind-and...

techgnosis 12/22/2025|||
I would imagine that most if not all will comply with illegal orders out of fear of retaliation, which is a very valid fear.
dmbche 12/22/2025|||
These things take large amount of money from upstream, if the money is cut they can "say" what they want, nothing is getting done, from my understanding
reactordev 12/22/2025||
Power of the purse, given to the executive
bell-cot 12/22/2025|||
Don't expect any sort of mass disobedience here. Doing anything in offshore wind requires a large, highly-skilled organization and lot of time. One firm "ahem!" from the Coast Guard, Navy, or Treasury, and that kinda org will back down.

If things fall apart so badly that the CG, USN, and Treasury don't matter - then who's paying the bills for any offshore construction, and who's protecting anything that is built from looting or seizure?

unsupp0rted 12/23/2025|||
What orders is the executive branch legally qualified to issue?

If they ordered sloppy joes in the white house cafeteria a federal judge would stay the order by noon the next day.

cr1895 12/23/2025||
Just something to keep in mind - the actual site of these wind farms is offshore in federal waters, and construction is subject to federal (as well as state) permits.
lateforwork 12/22/2025||
The Saudis have enormous influence over Trump through business deals. So does Qatar through the jet they gifted Trump, and the UAE through crypto deals.

These oil rich countries are no fans of clean energy.

Is it merely coincidence, then, that Trump is canceling wind and solar projects in the United States?

Previously Trump also canceled the largest solar project in the United States. Known as Esmeralda 7, the project planned in the Nevada desert would have produced enough energy to power nearly two million homes.

verdverm 12/22/2025||
It's more the Scottish that caused this than the oil princes, the windmill stuff is all about petty hatred from losing a court case and now one of his precious golf courses has windmills visible out on the ocean for a few of the holes

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15l3knp4xyo

lateforwork 12/22/2025||
But he didn't just cancel wind projects. He cancelled solar. He cancelled EV tax credits.

Then Trump went a step further: He is using tariffs to pressure other countries to relax their pledges to fight climate change and instead burn more oil, gas and coal [1].

The oil princes are getting their moneys worth.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/climate/trump-internation...

verdverm 12/22/2025||
the rest are more "a bonus" than the RCA, which is pettiness at his core and a constant seeing anything and everything as a slight against him

how and why the republican/maga party wholeheartedly adopted Trump's grievances as their own is beyond me

hristov 12/22/2025|||
The Arab Gulf states have also been pumping billions into Jared Cushner investment vehicles.

https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-says-15bn-qatar-uae-c...

braincat31415 12/23/2025|||
It's actually the other way around; the Saudis are only able to sell their oil because the oil money is flowing into US treasuries and other financial instruments, and it has been like this since the 70s.
kevin_thibedeau 12/22/2025|||
> jet they gifted Trump

The jet was gifted to the American people. There's no reason why he should be allowed to fly on it. It goes in the library with the rest of the state gifts.

selimthegrim 12/23/2025|||
Stop giving him ideas. He’s gonna put a hangar right next to the east wing ballroom and shove it in there like the Spruce Goose
Natfan 12/27/2025|||
oh, so it'll be added to a public fleet for the American populace to use, free of charge? sounds like socialism to me(!)
Moldoteck 12/22/2025||
not just that. Fossils are/were the guarantee of US dollar dominance. Huge $ are made purely by the fact most fossils transactions are in $. It's not in the interest of US to reduce the influence of fossils, especially now when it's the biggest exporter. Trump is ... trump... his actions can be anyway between personal biased hate or US strategical decision...
dalyons 12/23/2025||
It’s always personal hate, or personal grift. There is no strategy here
Surac 12/22/2025||
i have the feeling the real reason is "drill baby drill". The actual administration does not hide it's love for carbon based energy
CommenterPerson 12/23/2025||
The $445 million campaign contribution / bribe from Big Oil is clearly paying off.
catigula 12/22/2025||
It's interesting that people are very incredulous of there being a legitimate defense reason for this when we have had unilateral unanswered drone incursions all over Europe and the US.

There's obviously some sort of arms race occurring and some of it is public.

The world in on the precipice of many technologies advancing at an all too rapid pace. The idea that technology will become tightly regulated isn't inconceivable.

FYI Sweden did the same thing last year. There is likely a (drone) reason, it's all but completely clear.

pickleglitch 12/22/2025||
This is part of the problem with having an administration that so obviously corrupt and so frequently tells the most obvious lies and consistently acts with such obvious, naked partisanship. You can't trust them about anything.
KaiserPro 12/22/2025|||
> unanswered drone incursions all over Europe

But thats nothing to do with turbines. Its not like russia are hiding behind wind turbines launching drones between them.

They are just sitting there, well within radar range launching away. they also have AIS on, so its not like they are hiding.

Also if you look at where they are: https://openinframap.org/#8.13/51.48/1.67 there is plenty of overlap for existing radar to overlap.

Also they are the perfect platform for extending your radar network. they are tall, well connected and widely spaced.

dcminter 12/22/2025|||
It could in principle be legit. But there's a trail of previous bad faith behaviour around the same windfarms.
LastTrain 12/22/2025|||
No, Sweden did not ban all offshore wind projects last year.
catigula 12/22/2025||
Is that the strawman framing of my argument that you want to stick with?

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/11/11/why-swe...

LastTrain 12/22/2025||
You framed it that way. This is an article about how the US shut down every offshore wind farm project. People are here discussing the fact that the us shut down every offshore wind project. You came in and said Sweden did it too. Setting aside the fact that they did not do that, they blocked some projects, not all - you don’t even know what “it” is because the US did not give a rationale.
cr1895 12/23/2025||
And, Sweden blocked those projects in early stage permitting, not well underway or even nearing completion.

It's not comparable at all. US defence agencies have had thorough involvement in the permitting process of these US developments.

heavyset_go 12/22/2025|||
They've been crying wolf for nearly a decade now, they aren't suddenly going to have a change of heart and be honest now.
cr1895 12/23/2025||
There's obviously transparently political antipathy from the Trump administration towards offshore wind development in the US. It's far more likely this is gross political interference by an unserious and vendetta-driven administration.
josefritzishere 12/22/2025||
Pure idiocracy.
deafpolygon 12/23/2025||
Control over oil and gas keeps monetary values high.

Green energy is much harder to control because you can’t force the market into artificial scarcity and re-inflate the value of gas to drive the economy back up (and keep rich people rich).

t1234s 12/23/2025||
The US doesn't want to piss off all the USO's zipping around underwater.
pkaeding 12/23/2025|
Yep, this is what I was thinking. It was part of the detente negotiated to end the "drone" hysteria about this time last year.
egberts1 12/23/2025|
As one who worked on over the horizon radar (OTH-B), ground clutter is a major impediment to accurate detection, identification, and correlation of an object.

Same principle applies for water as it is in air.

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