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Posted by Amorymeltzer 1/1/2026

2025 Letter(danwang.co)
398 points | 323 commentspage 2
152334H 1/1/2026|
> Beijing has been preparing for Cold War without eagerness for waging it, while the US wants to wage a Cold War without preparing for it.

great line

slfreference 1/1/2026||
I don't care who the next hegemon will be; US or China. But please pray, can these people tell what their next strategy is for the rest of the world after the Cold War ends. Will the next regime advance sciences further after whichever side wins the Cold War? Can't that be done without the war? US has been hegemon since last 5 or so decades; has it worked out best even ONLY for the Americans if not for the rest of the world. I will ask a very obvious question taught as a intuition pump by Daniel Dennett, "Then What? Then What? Then What?". Do these blob forces have post-Cold War steps figured out for the best of humanity, if not for whole of humanity but a national subset.

Here is a fun representation I have in my mind:

Galactic Emperor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfQbm8Wk2vU

NooneAtAll3 1/2/2026|||
from my understanding, US strategy "for the world" is "you sell me things, I sell you dollars, do democracy or else" - while best China guess seems to be "build business, together, don't push your agenda on others or else" (as with anything, these will change over several decades tho)

but main divide seems to form on "ngo vs government" lines, imo - and ironically the exact opposite way of the proclaimed "authoritarian China vs USAID america" of the previous decade-or-two. (As always, best path is somewhere in the middle between the two)

the main thing that will happen for sure - globalization, unification into bigger and bigger pieces will continue. Sure, big pieces might go further from each other - but smaller ones will will get closer and closer (unless we all die, of course)

exceptione 1/2/2026||
The way China have done/do "business" with non-Han ethnicities is a very creative way of abiding by the maxim "don't push your agenda on others".

All jokes aside, current China and current US administration believe in "might makes right", like any criminal gang. They both like to abolish the rules based order, any smaller "piece" will be on the menu in this school of thought.

bigyabai 1/1/2026|||
I don't know if it's that hard to figure out, at least in the short-term. China's #1 goal should be to keep the value of their currency stable and push hard on the neoliberal expansionist path. If the United States' financialized economy starts to sag, this is China's opportunity to provide discount stability to the nations that China needs as allies.
NooneAtAll3 1/2/2026||
> China's #1 goal should be to keep the value of their currency stable

this kinda goes against the very policy of China for the last decade-2-3 of almost-manual depreciation of RMB to make export easier

> this is China's opportunity to provide discount stability to the nations that China needs as allies

and it's US strat to boost allies with money donations - while China seems to be more about joint infrastructure and industry building

apples_oranges 1/1/2026|||
It's not clear what the US plan even is. Move all manufacturing back home and compete with China ASAP?
anon7000 1/1/2026|||
Even if it’s a goal, it’s not a plan. The article talks about it, but Biden’s push for manufacturing wasn’t very aggressive, and Trump has basically stopped it. We’ve seen a loss in manufacturing jobs from tariffs and Trump idiotically deported Korean engineers working in local battery production plants. Simply protecting our existing companies (which are not very efficient, see shipbuilders) is not even close to enough to competing
jaapz 1/1/2026||||
With trump at the helm, do you think there is much of a plan?
glitchc 1/1/2026||||
The US doesn't have a plan, it has a framework. The framework allows it to be nimble in a way that centralized economies (like China) can never match. My money's on the US out-competing everyone else in the long run.
seanmcdirmid 1/1/2026||
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or if you are serious. The USA’s framework is to just wish for things to happen and then be surprised when those things don’t happen. There is basically no executing plan beyond grifting money to a few corporations because they supported the president during the election.
shimman 1/1/2026||
Seriously, and we have one of the most centrally planned economies in existence, it's just controlled by the elites rather than through democratic norms as it was during the new deal coalition.
lawn 1/1/2026||||
Plan?

They don't even have a concept of a plan.

loudmax 1/1/2026||||
The "US plan," is driven by the executive office. That is to say, the by the US president.

Insofar as there is any plan, the current officeholder's priorities are to project the appearance of personal power on television. If you're wondering what's going on strategically, don't go thinking that there's some grand plan, or even an intention to benefit the United States in the long term. There are some people in the cabinet who are thinking long term, but that's not universal, and that's not what they're selected for. Every action that is taken is to satisfy the president's narcissism and ego in the present moment. You have to understand the "US plan" in this light for anything coming out of the executive office to make sense.

dfxm12 1/1/2026||||
The US plan is to enrich oligarchs who are friendly with Trump and to enact white nationalist policies.

Anything beyond that is just like a kid playing an arcade game without putting any quarters in.

alexashka 1/2/2026|||
It all falls into place if you contemplate the possibility that there is no US.

There's stock market bros, kill people bros, government welfare bros and some mega business bros.

None of them want to know anything beyond my kids go to private school, get nepo baby job.

This is what humans are capable of - not just in USA, as a species. USA's 'plan' or rather inevitability is to fall apart. China will be the next power and it'll also fall apart, like USSR fell apart and USA is falling apart for the world to see.

Maybe in another few thousand years it'll be different, I doubt it. Read Plato's Republic you're above 140 IQ - it spells it all out so nicely that one you grok it, you need not know much of anything else regarding politics.

DustinEchoes 1/1/2026||
Too bad it’s not true. China has wanted this for a long long time. They view their relative weakness vs the West as humiliating and temporary, and want to correct that by any means available.
ceuk 1/1/2026||
As a Brit, I struggled to get much interesting out of this considering how many times he mentions "Europe" (in that condescendingly general way that only US folks seem to manage).

He talks about "European" prospects and his trip to Denmark but then cites London as a representative example?

This almost broke my brain it felt so incoherent.

Never mind that (despite my personal wishes) we're not even part of the EU (which I assume is what he means by "Europe"). Surely he knows what an anomaly London is? It's not representative of anything except itself.

Referencing the extreme wage dispersion and severe housing pressure of London in a rant about Europe in general is a completely pointless endeavour.

He did say one thing I agree with. If you like good food, rich culture and great surroundings, "Europe" is indeed a lovely place to be for the most part.

Maybe I'll just keep that as my takeaway. It's too early in the year for doom and gloom anyway

BrokenCogs 1/1/2026||
It's pretty clear he meant Europe as the continent, which London is a part of.

It's very similar to "Europeans" broadly generalizing the US as one homogenous country, assuming everyone and everything in Chicago is the same as New York or Dallas.

Source: me, a brit, who has lived and worked in UK and US.

kubb 1/1/2026|||
He’s a Chinese guy in the US. He thinks in terms of large monoliths. The nuance of 40 different cultures on a small continent might be lost on him.

That’s OK.

We all have some approximation of reality in our brains which is necessarily shaped by our life experiences.

kankerlijer 1/1/2026|||
There is something very irritating seeing someone dismiss someone else on the internet using condescending therapy speak 'Thats Ok', nevermind the fact that calling him out as some ignorant Chinese guy while China has hundreds of cultures and languages, as if a Chinese person couldn't comprehend... Europe.
kubb 1/1/2026|||
The way to respect isn’t through shaming people into it. It’s through demonstration of value, in this case understanding of nuance.

Instead we get an application of external logic and values which can’t be used to properly reason about the entity they’re applied to.

There’s no need for frustration. We take the stoic approach here. It’s OK. You are a product of your environment. Everything you’ve ever experienced told you this is the way to act.

dalyons 1/2/2026||
FWIW this comes across as very condescending to me too. Maybe try a different framing.
kubb 1/2/2026||
Interestingly, you’re demonstrating arrogance.

All you’re bringing to the discussion is “my feelings are hurt”. And you’re putting the onus to fix that on me.

You have the power to change your paradigm, but you refuse to. Others have to see things through your lens, you won’t have the flexibility to change yours for a moment.

Meanwhile I’ve started with a plausible explanation of why someone sees things differently.

From the get go, I had more willingness to understand than you did.

How’s that for a framing?

meneliksecond 1/2/2026||
Good framing
booleandilemma 1/2/2026||||
Europe and China are quite different, historically and culturally. It would make sense that people from the two regions wouldn't know about each other. The world is full of detail. As someone who's lived in both the west and asia I'm still surprised by little differences I see every week.
hahaxdxd123 1/2/2026|||
It's a European guy coping on HN.

That's OK.

They have no idea my sub-region of California produces the entire GDP of their country.

ViktorRay 1/1/2026||||
Your statement here is pretty ironic.

China also has many different cultures, languages and so on for the over 1.4 billion people who live there. Why would the “nuance” of Europe be “lost” on a Chinese person?

seanmcdirmid 1/1/2026|||
China mostly has a single national identity, and provincial differences are way too nuanced to be mapped in the same way that country differences in Europe would be. It would be like trying to get Americans to understand that "Henan man" is a meme similar to the "Florida man" meme.
canjobear 1/2/2026||
I thought it was Guangxi man...
seanmcdirmid 1/2/2026||
No, guangxi isn’t even technically a province (another weirdness), but having been to guangxi a few times (Guilin, Liuzhou, and Nanning), I don’t think anyone thinks much of it beyond it’s beautiful karst and southern culture. Anyways, there is actually a wiki article on henan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Henan_sentiment
NooneAtAll3 1/2/2026|||
double ironically, your comment precisely answers your question

the two of you operate on different scale of unification - what you see as "many different cultures", chinese and americans see as "a single country". What they see as "Europe pulling in many directions" - you might see as independent national interests

perhaps the best way to recognize the attitude is to think what you feel about subsections of your country - while Scotland/England divide is common, it's rarer to hear in what Yorkshire differs from the Cornwall; and I bet not many people would guess what beef is there between french citizen from Normandy and from Nice

it is this kind of scale that allows China to build transmission lines through the whole country's diameter. It is that kind of scale that made americans scream at each other because of abortion high court decision - while said decision simply said "let states decide"

it's a lot of difference, and there's a lot of nuances "on both sides" - but simply of a different kind

tshaddox 1/1/2026||||
> The nuance of 40 different cultures on a small continent might be lost on him.

I don’t know about the author in particular, but Americans are generally aware of the “nuanced” European history of near constant war between rival nations, states, factions, and religions.

kubb 1/1/2026||
I think they could do a better job communicating that, but I’m glad that Americans are educated and curious about other parts of the world.
opjjf 1/2/2026|||
His wife is Austrian though, I would have hoped that adds a bit to his perspective.
maxglute 1/1/2026|||
He's a Canadian in America writing about China. He writes about bloc strategic competition. EU+UK is treated as bloc in this context, individual European countries are generally irrelevant alone.
DiscourseFan 1/1/2026|||
Since I’ve lived in the UK before, I will say that yes it is not the same as continental Europe, but culturally, socially, and economically it is deeply tied into Europe, is European. One could say the same thing about Ireland—except the majority of Ireland is in the EU. Does Europe stop at the border of Northern Ireland?
hdgvhicv 1/2/2026||
Northern Ireland is quite different to Great Britain, moreso than the difference between England, Wales and Scotland.
DiscourseFan 1/2/2026||
So you’re saying Northerm Ireland is less European than than Great Britain, whereas the Republic of Ireland is more because they’re in the EU?
tshaddox 1/1/2026|||
> Never mind that (despite my personal wishes) we're not even part of the EU (which I assume is what he means by "Europe").

Nah, Americans aren’t particularly interested in which Europeans are offended by being identified as “Europeans” this week. If we say “Europe” without qualification we’re probably just talking about the continent. (And no, we don’t even use the word “continent” as a distinction within Europe, except when referring to hotel breakfasts.)

Americans don’t really have much of a concept of what European identity is, and we don’t really care (other than being grateful for a few decades of relative peace after 1,000 or so years of near constant war).

ceuk 1/1/2026||
> Americans don’t really have much of a concept of what European identity is, and we don’t really care

Cool. Look, I made that comment with a lot of fondness, but if this is the case, maybe leave the European analysis to someone else..

senordevnyc 1/1/2026||
Yeah, it was dripping with fondness.
ceuk 1/2/2026||
It was really poorly written in hindsight. I didn't mean for it to come across as bitter/accusatory as it does and you don't deserve to read people talking random jabs at you when browsing HN comments, I'm sorry
xixixao 1/1/2026|||
He’s writing about China and US. Sure, you can call Europe more diverse, but still it makes sense to draw some generalizations, and I don’t think he’s far from the mark (having myself lived in EU, UK and US).
npalli 1/1/2026|||
Just like San Francisco and Dallas/Texas (from his article) are very different in the US, we should expect lot of differences in Europe (as others mentioned, he clubs UK with EU). Housing is a general problem for all major cities though, not sure why you think it is unique to London in the whole continent. Stockholm, Paris, Dublin, Lisbon to name a few, are pretty bad for housing in their own unique ways. Certainly shouldn't be "breaking your brain".
verbify 1/1/2026||
> Just like San Francisco and Dallas/Texas (from his article) are very different in the US, we should expect lot of differences in Europe

Dallas and San Francisco are both English speaking cities with a shared recent history of being part of the same nation. Most cities in Europe are as close as New York and Mexico City - Dallas and San Francisco is probably more analogous to Milan and Naples (different cultures, different histories, but now speak the same language and are part of the same nation).

j7ake 1/2/2026|||
I found it the right granularity. He talks about USA, China, and Europe: within each have considerable diversity in culture, history, and identity.

He mentions Europe without more nuance for the same reason he mentions China without more nuance: he’s talking big picture.

dworks 1/2/2026|||
>As a Brit, I struggled to get much interesting out of this

As someone who didn't study China's tech sector, but spent more than a decade working in it, my view is similar on Dan Wang's writing on China.

yunnpp 1/1/2026||
"Africa"
coderatlarge 1/1/2026||
from the piece:

“ the median age of the latest Y Combinator cohort is only 24, down from 30 just three years ago “

does yc publish stats to validate?

bix6 1/1/2026||
Quoted as 24 vs 30 in 2022 from one of the partners here: https://www.businessinsider.com/yc-founders-younger-under-mo...
et1337 1/1/2026||
Didn’t we just have a front page article about the average founder age increasing well beyond 30 this year? Is it a non-normal distribution or what?
bix6 1/1/2026|||
Tunguz shows early 40s as the median

https://tomtunguz.com/founder-age-median-trend/

YC trends younger given what they’re looking for

InitialLastName 1/1/2026|||
Lots of explanations with power here:

- There's a hard edge to the distribution that isn't far from 24 (I'd expect relatively few sub-18-year-old YC founders, but more 31+-year-olds)

- Older founders (with more experience, larger networks and less life flexibility) aren't a good fit for incubators.

fragmede 1/2/2026||
That's a lot of words to analyze the world, but no mention of drugs. Which, if you don't do them, you'd never realize. But we all have heard the rumors by now, that Elon's on Ketamine, the Republicans are all on coke, Hunter S Thompson is worth mentioning, Betty Ford put her names on those clinics for a reason. Rob Ford. Boris Yeltsin was an alcoholic. Margaret Thatcher was on stimulants. I'll avoid Godwin-ing this thread.

The stereotype about German engineering is bolstered by the fact that everyone there is on speed and has 4 extra hours in the day to do nothing but clean and tidy up.

performative 1/1/2026||
he makes enough odd claims about cities and countries in the beginning that i can only assume aren't really meant to be taken seriously, so i'm at a bit of a loss for how i should be reading this
scubbo 1/1/2026||
A fascinating and eye-opening read.

One of my intentions for this coming year is to critically examine and (if appropriate) alter or dispel some preconceptions I have. To that end, I'm curious about this part:

> You don’t have to convince the elites or the populace that growth is good or that entrepreneurs could be celebrated. Meanwhile in Europe, perhaps 15 percent of the electorate actively believes in degrowth. I feel it’s impossible to convince Europeans to act in their self interest.

Can someone elaborate on how growth is aligned with the general interest? To my mind, although growth could _theoretically_ lead to a "lifting all boats" improvement across the board, in practice it inevitably leads to greater concentration of wealth for the elite while the populace deals with negative externalities like pollution, congestion, and advertizing. Degrowth, on the other hand, would directly reduce those externalities; and, if imposed via progressive taxation, would have further societal benefits via funded programs.

I'd very much like to hear the counter-argument. It would be pleasant and convenient to believe that growth and industry are Good, Actually, so that I needn't feel guilty for contributing to them or for furthering my own position - but (sadly!) I can't just make myself believe something without justification.

crubier 1/1/2026||
> Can someone elaborate on how growth is aligned with the general interest?

Empirically, the past 200 years have seen high growth globally, and human well being has improved massively as a result. Life expectancy has skyrocketed, infant death, hunger have gone down to near zero, literacy has gone up, work is much more comfortable, interesting and rewarding, etc. But at a more fundamental level, our material quality of life is that of literal kings. The 1st decile poorest people in the US or Europe have much better living conditions than a king of 500 years ago. We are so lucky to benefit from this, yet we completely forgot that fact. You complain about congestion and advertizing, but with degrowth you would complain about hunger and dying from cold during winter.

MontyCarloHall 1/1/2026||
>But at a more fundamental level, our material quality of life is that of literal kings.

This cannot be overstated. To wit, a Honda Accord (or equivalent mid-range car of today) is objectively superior to a Rolls Royce from the 90s in terms of amenities, engine power/efficiency, quietness, build quality, safety, etc. The same is true for quality-of-life improvements across a vast swath of consumer goods, and therefore consumer lifestyles.

Without growth, it's unlikely we'd see those improvements manifest. Carefully consider the lifestyle of someone living several decades ago. Would you honestly want to live such a lifestyle yourself? That's where degrowth likely leads. As the article says, "I feel it’s impossible to convince Europeans to act in their self interest. You can’t even convince them to adopt air conditioning in the summer."

allturtles 1/1/2026||
> Carefully consider the lifestyle of someone living several decades ago. Would you honestly want to live such a lifestyle yourself?

Sure, I lived it, and it was very pleasant at the time and in many ways better than now in retrospect. e.g. always-on access to infinite content engines like YouTube, TikTok, X, Facebook, etc. is probably a net negative, both for individuals and society. I wouldn't want to go back a century or more and give up air conditioning, dishwashers, washing machines, air travel, electric lights. But a few decades, sure, in a heartbeat.

jimnotgym 1/1/2026|||
I agree, 30 years ago a working man doing 40 hours a week in a factory could still support a family on one income and expect to own a house. We hit a peak 30-40 years ago.
ford 1/2/2026||
I hear this often, but I think this discounts the fact that this was mostly true for the US/Western Europe at a time where they enjoyed unilateral super-powerism as a result of winning WWII. I'm not sure that kind of prosperity is normal (though I hope it could be).

I'm worried the harsh reality for most humans is that life is often not that easy. And if it is, it won't be for long

jimnotgym 1/2/2026||
But there is still enough wealth for all of those houses to exist. That tells me the world is wealthy enough, but it is in the hands of different people
crubier 1/2/2026|||
The good thing about YouTube, TikTok, Facebook etc is you don’t have to use them if you don’t like them!
PedroBatista 1/1/2026|||
For all the insightful takes about everything under the Sun, Dan's cynicism and skewed view towards "Europe" are shown in this letter.

It's not that all his takes are wrong, it's the exaggeration, the doom and gloom and a somewhat dismissal or some unsolved personal issues he has with "Europeans".

The irony is not lost that Dan acts as smug and dismissal as he accuses Europeans to be.

Regarding the whole "Degrowth" thing: yes Europe has those and they found their gold in Governmental entities and they entertain the rich. But.. that's exactly what happens in the US too and Dan as knowledge as he is should know this was mostly an American academia export, he just needs to talk with some people in the very same colleges he regularly set foot into.

Also, he should take a hint when he says historically liberal societies have fared much better than autocratic ones even if those are very focused and appear to make progress very quickly. Having a few mega-bilionaires directing what the populace do or not do might not be a smart move as it sounds. We'll see when the AI musical chairs stops.

Btw, Europe has been dead and on the brink of destruction for a few centuries by now. And according to experts the EU is about to collapse 3 or 4 times a year - minimum.

brokencode 1/1/2026|||
Wealth inevitably concentrates in the hands of the elite no matter the economic conditions. There are plenty of failed states where all the wealth ended up in the hands of warlords and dictators.

It’s something that regularly has to be dealt with in societies separately from the economic situation.

typeofhuman 1/1/2026||
Exactly _how_ should society deal with it, and exactly _when_ should society deal with it?
brokencode 1/1/2026||
Opinions vary.

There are those who think massive concentration of wealth is not a problem at all and is just a product of healthy capitalism. Tax is theft, and individual property rights are above all else.

There are others who want some kind of communist revolution, where the entire structure of society and property ownership is changed. The workers should benefit from their work as much as the managers.

Personally, I feel like there's a middle ground to hit. We should be able to make changes to our current system in the US without needing anything too radical.

We have some good examples from the last century, such as trust busting, the New Deal, and the Great Society. These programs made major improvements without changing the country's fundamental economic system or growth trajectory.

macintux 1/1/2026||
> trust busting, the New Deal, and the Great Society.

I don't know what sea change it would take for today's GOP to even tepidly support any of these.

jimnotgym 1/1/2026||
An electorate that looks like it will certainly vote them out if they don't change
constantcrying 1/1/2026|||
Believing in growth just means believing that the future will be better than the past.

And believing this, is the single thing keeping the entire world running.

Germany is currently ruining itself because its stagnating economy means that it can not keep up with the rising costs for its pension system and has to increasingly raise more funds from a smaller, population which is seeing little productivity gains.

>Degrowth, on the other hand, would directly reduce those externalities; and, if imposed via progressive taxation, would have further societal benefits via funded programs.

Do you think that Germany will have social benefits at all, when the auto industry collapses. Where is the money coming from?

Economic growth has enabled mass literacy. It has created industrial agriculture, which eliminated hunger for economic reasons in all countries which practice it. Degrowth means turning our back on the single process which caused the greatest increase in human quality of life.

NooneAtAll3 1/2/2026|||
it is prisoners' dilemma

if you grow - you increase total progress (and your influence on it)

but if you degrow - you concentrate your progress into smaller amount of hands, making their life better

seems reminiscent of "left vs right" debate in politics with its "wealth disperse vs wealth squeeze" - but with humans themselves instead

elp62 1/1/2026||
In the vibrant capitalist society envisioned by Joseph Schumpeter, all boats are lifted because better businesses replace incumbents, both improving products for the larger society and continually redistributing wealth. In my view, since 2008 my country (the US) has distanced itself from this policy, instead focusing on protecting incumbents for fear of loss of employment. The unpopular policy of bailouts pursued in 2008-2009 and then again during the pandemic has led to a stagnant, top-heavy economy with most of the disadvantages of capitalism and less and less of the upside.

I don't think degrowth is necessary to solve this problem, although I'm sure it has its merits. But I think growth can still occur without the trend toward oligarchic or feudal society, and in fact a society with a vibrant economy would have more growth than we do today.

kayo_20211030 1/2/2026||
A very good read, with some provocative and thought-provoking content.

I just wonder if his aversion to AI as a panacea merely failed to displace his adherence to competition as a panacea. In the long run he's probably betting on a better horse, at least on one with better history and staying power; and we all need gods to believe in. However, it does feel like articles of faith still, but with a broader church.

His focus on capacity and planning is the golden nugget.

I loved the book recommendations. Generally the political and military history of the late Austro-Hungarian empire is incredibly interesting, and remains good signage on navigating current central- and eastern- Europe's situations.

AJRF 1/1/2026||
Great read. I listened to Dan on Tyler Cowen’s podcast and found him to be a very interesting thinker. He has the air of someone who is a lot more intellectually honest than a lot of our pundits (Tyler is pretty good though, he’s not that target of this comment)
constantcrying 1/1/2026||
As a European, the commentary felt very biting and accurate. An entire continent defined by being smug about not being the USA. Where not competing is seen as a great virtue and where significant parts of the electorate are actively voting against fixing the glaringly obvious problems.

The supposed niceness of the cities also is just not true. Many European cities are awful places. Where, maybe with the exception of a few tourist areas, you will only find dirty streets, rows of old apartment building regularly smeared with graffiti, shops selling used phones and vapes and food stores competing over who can sell the cheapest, still edible Kebab.

xandrius 1/1/2026|
You haven't been much around outside of Europe then.

And given what is currently coming out of the US in terms of worldwide cultural impact, I'm ok to be anti-whatever that is.

constantcrying 1/2/2026||
Looking down on the US is just masking the enormous dysfunction in the EU and many European countries.

I have been to some countries outside of Europe. Some were much worse some were much better, but I do not particularly care. So many cities in Europe are awful places to live.

deaux 1/2/2026|
I've been convinced for years now of 90% of what Dan Wang wrote here about China, though I don't even have 20% of his talent in writing it up in a coherent way. Nor do I have enough on-the-ground experience in the country, nor the surname, to make me credible.

During all this time I've tried to think of a way to invest in this belief in a monetary way, but I've failed to come up with anything. Chinese stocks? Foreigners' holdings will likely be worthless when the slightest crisis happens. Then what is left? Without going and living there, I'm not sure. Has anyone thought about this?

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