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Posted by microflash 2 days ago

Clicks Communicator(www.clicksphone.com)
417 points | 260 comments
darthbanane 2 days ago|
I would recommend not touching pre-orders with a 10-foot pole.

The leadership behind this project is f(x)tec. While they're not outright scammers they have a TERRIBLE track record in delivering products like this. Just look up the old fxtec community forums or the indiegogo pages for the pro1 / pro1x.

It's just data points but so far the modus operandi was to take pre-order money and then take years to deliver a bad product with no aftermarket support. There were always new excuses about what happened (shipping company stole our stuff! chip reseller scammed us! etc) but no transparency. The reality seems to be they ran out of money and instead of being upfront about it kept making up new stories why nothing was happening. The few devices they have shipped are basically unusable unless you're going to mod the hard- and software yourself (no security updates, issues in antenna design, outdated hardware by the time it ships, keyboard quality issues, you name it).

If you're interested in the device I implore you to wait until you can buy it upfront (ideally in a physical store) and return it at your convenience.

I thought I needed a keyboard too, but when everything is designed for a slab screen and your "productivity" phone randomly shuts down or has no reception in a major area, you gotta think about what productivity really means.

827a 1 day ago||
I have a founders edition Clicks keyboard for the iPhone 15 Pro. Its really a fantastic piece of hardware; worked great since I got it, idk, maybe 14 months ago. Obviously this is a full device and much more complicated, but I wouldn't personally have any qualms taking a risk on it given that their track record for the other clicks devices is pretty solid IME.
darthbanane 1 day ago||
Your keyboard doesn't connect to the internet or run an OS. These are very different requirements to have for a company you purchase from IMO.

This thing will run android on a mediatek chip, it's not a purchase once and done type thing like the keyboard attachment.

rchaud 1 day ago|||
I had forgotten about FXTec. I think Clicks could be different though. For one thing they have already shipped keyboard accessories for the iPhone and the Moto Razr. The core technology is there. Additionally, a small company like Unihertz has shipped several variants of PKB phones reliably over the last few years.

The Fxtec Pro 1 tried to implement a sliding keyboard mechanism, which is mechanically complicated: the Palm Pre ran into problems with that design and the Blackberry Priv in 2015 discontinued that design after only one generation, switching back to integrated PKBs for the KeyOne and Key2.

fooker 1 day ago|||
Huh interesting, didn't realize this was effectively a rebranding of fxtec.

Enough for me to avoid them as they seem to have spent some effort hiding that association.

burnte 1 day ago|||
I bought the first gen on preorder, literally returned it the day after I got it. They were cheap feeling, super lightweight and chincy, cheap and hard to press buttons, weird keyboard layout, and the whole thing was too top heavy to use.
cyanydeez 1 day ago||
I tried to find a contacts page, with physical address and phone #.

Not finding that is enough to avoid.

atorodius 1 day ago|||
https://www.clicks.tech/pages/about-clicks ?

(not affiliated but feels a bit rough as a critique for a companty that has shipped keyboards for a while)

darthbanane 1 day ago|||
The physical address is just a coworking space according to streetview. It's the same address as fxtec: https://www.fxtec.com/
atorodius 1 day ago||
where do you see it is a coworking space? looks to me like a normal office building

either way it is a physical address, I was just responding to the invalid claim above

darthbanane 1 day ago||
It was meant as an addendum. I might have confused it with the chancery house on the other side of the road, streetview footage shows construction signs for a coworking space so I assumed it would be that. The actual address seems to be from a law firm, not sure how good of a sign that is. It's not unusual for UK companies to use their solicitor's address
cyanydeez 1 day ago|||
where do you see that link here: https://www.clicksphone.com
atorodius 1 day ago||
"visit our main site" -> about in the footer
b3nji 18 hours ago|||
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/c...
SkyPuncher 2 days ago||
I had the Unihertz Titan for a while . It was a fun experiment, but I ultimately found it too annoying for continued daily use

First, typing was actually slower and more error prone. Even nearly a year into owning it, I was constantly misclicking and spending loads of time correcting myself.

Second, you loose a ton of navigate functionality with the hardware keyboards. Holding space to navigate between characters is gone. Emojis are gone. GIF keyboards are gone.

Third, none of the apps are built for this aspect ratio or screen size. Often this is just an annoyance - but there are times this became an actual, legitimate blocker. Items would be laid out off screen in a way that you couldn’t access them. The solution: a scaled view where everything was ridiculously tiny.

Three B: too many situations where the virtual keyboard would come up and you’d literally have the entire screen covered.

I didn’t realize how much value I lose with these issues until I experienced them. Every thing you’ve relied on essentially become unreliable because you might not be able to use certain functionality.

jeroenhd 2 days ago||
I have the Titan 2 and I find that with the right software, these problems aren't as bad in the new release. The typing itself is a personal preference, of course; the keyboard needs to happen to be the right size for your hands or you're going to have a bad time. For navigating between characters, there's an excellent open source keyboard (https://github.com/palsoftware/pastiera) that provides a lot of features normally present in a soft keyboard that Unihertz didn't include in their keyboard. I switch between that and Swiftkey, though Swiftkey likes to open a full soft keyboard interface for no reason no matter how many ways I try to disable it.

The aspect ratio/screen size issue is annoying, but I find that a combination of the screen lock setting (for annoying apps that rotate the screen when they go "full screen") combined with scrolling using the capacitive keyboard works just fine without blocking the entire screen.

The one problem I have with the phone, and the reason I'm not dailying it, is that Unihertz is notoriously bad at providing software updates. I'm not too impressed with the Clicks phone either on that front, though at least they're beating Unihertz:

> Communicator will run Android 16. We’re comfortable committing to 2 years of Android updates and 5 years of security updates.

The clicks launcher looks pretty slick, though. I'll definitely try to run that on my Titan 2 when the APK eventually gets dumped.

xethos 2 days ago||
The launcher is Niagara launcher, it's available today, and it's one of the recommended ones for the Q25 because it supports keyboard shortcuts from the homescreen natively. I'd imagine your Titan 2 would behave similarly :)
backscratches 2 days ago|||
This one says the keyboard is touch sensitive, like the old android blackberries, so you can still do some swipe gestures
wowczarek 2 days ago|||
As for the typing itself, just curious, were you a Blackberry user in the past? I was for 15+ years, but I've never used a Unihertz. But my typing experience was always running circles around every poor soul with a touch keyboard.

As to the rest - I owned one of every model of BlackBerry's Android PKB phones and none of this was an issue, so I'd say a lot of it may be Unihertz's execution. Losing navigation functionality with a PKB? That's shocking, you should have _gained_ advantage rather than lost anything.

Makes me almost happy I haven't gone for a Unihertz when my last Key2 croaked.

SkyPuncher 2 days ago|||
Yes, I was. I had a physical-keyboard phone for as long as I reasonably could.

What I realized is modern soft-keyboards are actually exceptionally good handling slight miss-clicks. I stopped worrying about hitting the key exactly and just punched it close enough. Auto-correct seems able to figure out that 5% off of a key should be weighed as that key being hit and gets the word right.

With a hard keyboard, I'd just end up with total garbage sometimes.

rchaud 2 days ago|||
Not the person you're replying to, but I was a big BB user in the 2000s and had the Blackberry Passport briefly in 2015 to test its Android app compatibility (it was pretty damn compatible!).

What I discovered was that the best BB keyboards for error-free typing were the curved 4-row keyboards on the Bold 9000, 9700 and 9900. The Passport kb was flat, rectangular and only had 3 rows over a very wide layout and placed at the very bottom of the phone, making it cramped to type on. I love the idea of keyboard phones but only BB of yore did it right.

wowczarek 2 days ago|||
Completely agree on the curved keyboards. BB Classic was the last proper one and I loved it. Android app compatibility was spot on as well, where it failed, not to RIM's fault, was that you had to hack around google play services, and as a result, apps that did "device security checks", like banking apps, failed.

One notable app that also failed this way was, the irony, the Work suite, soon owned by... BlackBerry. My dear employer dropped BES support and moved to Work, which didn't work on BBs after some time, and that was the end of it (BBOS) for me.

Only BB did it right, but - and I don't know to what extent - it still sits on some amount of IP/patents that cover the doing it right.

awinter-py 2 days ago|||
miss the bold 9000 so much

it sounds like there is a slow and steady open source community around either replacement q20 keyboards, or a reverse-engineered one? https://hackaday.com/2025/06/04/the-blackberry-keyboard-how-...

and the beepy, which runs linux and for some reason has the keyboard blurred out on its homepage https://beepy.sqfmi.com/

girvo 2 days ago|||
> and for some reason

Trademark stuff, as far as I remember.

> For instance, the Beepberry project became Beepy – because of Blackberry, legally speaking, raising an eyebrow at the naming decision; it’s the kind of legal situation we’ve seen happen with projects like Notkia. If you ever get such a letter, please don’t hold any hard feelings towards the company – after all, trademarks can legally be lost if the company doesn’t take action to defend them. From what I gather, BlackBerry’s demands were low, as it goes with such claims – the project was renamed to Beepy going forward, and that’s about it.

I think to poke fun at it, they blur out the keeb haha

xethos 2 days ago|||
A Q20 project has actually launched. The Zinwa Q25 uses the Q20 hardware with a new mainboard and battery. I have one, this comment was written with one, and I can say for damn sure: They're real, and they're fantastic.
lanyard-textile 2 days ago|||
Holding the spacebar down... I never knew about this... are there any other Apple keyboard secrets?
al_borland 1 day ago|||
The Apple keyboard added swipe support a couple years ago, use your finger to make a single swipe across all the letters in the word you want to type. Like SwiftKey.

If you press and hold the emoji button in the lower left, you can pick to have the keyboard shift to the left or right, for easier one handed typing. On the iPad I think you can pull the keyboard apart so you can use one thumb on each side of the screen while holding it (last I used it, you could do this with a gesture of putting your two thumbs in the center of the keyboard and pulling them apart toward the sides).

Press and hold on letters or symbols for accidents or more related symbols. I don’t think this one is that big of a secret, but it’s worth going through all the symbols to see everything that’s available.

I don’t have an iPad currently, but I think it has the numbers on the top row of letters, and you can swipe up (or down, I don’t remember) on the key for quick entry of some numbers without changing to the symbol keyboard.

Double tap the shift key for CAPS LOCK.

In the Settings, there is built in text expansion support (Settings > General > Keyboard > Text Replacement). Adding curse words in here was a way to get around the “ducking” auto-correct in the past, with the typed word and the replacement being set to the same word. If want a way to type more obscure symbols, this is a way to set that up as well, I can type , for example.

They upgraded the speech to text a few years ago. If you got in the habit of not bothering, because you had to be perfect in one take, it’s better now. You can speak, take breaks, and manually correct and add things with your keyboard in the middle of dictation.

That’s all that comes to mind for now.

weikju 2 days ago||||
While holding it down, tap with another finger to start selecting text instead of just moving the cursor around.
al_borland 1 day ago||
I’m trying this, but it feels pretty buggy. I don’t feel like I have much control.
user_7832 1 day ago||
Not your fault. In the past it used force touch which allowed you to trigger it from anywhere on the keyboard (instead of the spacebar only). This made it far more powerful/flexible. Apple, in their infinite wisdom, removed it.

Source: an iPhone 6s in the family that was a joy for all the right reasons. My current SE 2020 is good, but the lack of force touch really sucks tbh. Do you know, for eg, you could open multitasking with force touch instead of the home button?

al_borland 1 day ago||
I miss Force Touch as well. I think they rebranded it to 3D Touch, to avoid the jokes.

Press and hold works for some stuff, but it’s slower. The press and hold to get to the lock screen switcher feels very slow, and inconsistently slow on top of that. Some days it seems to work, while others it seems to take forever.

PlunderBunny 1 day ago|||
In a text field that accepts a URL, press and hold the full-stop to show a list of common domains, plus the local country domain and the local variant for .com
hasperdi 2 days ago|||
I have the Titan slim, and my experience is similar to what you described. I think most of the bad experience is caused by Unihertz half competent implementation.

Phones with hardware keyboard like this requires a good keyboard companion app, which Unihertz doesn't have.

savolai 2 days ago|||
It’s funny we have gone full circle. I still miss the nokias and bbs for being able to just write without typoing all the time and without the cognitivr load thay comes wiyh foxinh typos ally yeh time. Authentic samplr.
afandian 2 days ago|||
I had a Motorola Dext, HTC Desire Z, Blackberry Passport, Blackberry KeyOne, and Titan Pocket. And Gemini PDA.

The Passport was pretty much perfect, and I've not loved a phone as much before or since.

ISTR Unihertz had to make some significant UX tradeoffs to avoid a Blackberry patent infringement (how else do you explain that shift key). I also found it tiresome to use.

And the screen was square, which many websites didn't like. And high resolution and small, which made it fiddly to use.

I don't know if I'll get the Clicks Communicator. Mostly because looking at the above list, I'd have to admit that I have a phone problem...

(I also have another phone problem, which is that I can't seem to type anything accurately on my iPhone keyboard. Solidarity with hardware-keyboard-users.)

reddalo 1 day ago|||
> none of the apps are built for this aspect ratio or screen size

Android 16 forces developers to use a dynamic screen size, you can't force your app to be landscape only anymore. So maybe this aspect will be less of a problem in the future.

phreeza 2 days ago|||
Holy shit I just learned about using space to navigate between characters. That's amazing, thanks.
jez 2 days ago|||
If you tap and hold a second thumb after you’ve tapped and held to bring up the moveable cursor, it switches to a selection range.
SkyPuncher 2 days ago||
Well.....I'll be damned.

I need this desperately when the Claude app gets in a psuedo error state.

cocomutator 2 days ago|||
My life just changed forever too...
obvi8 2 days ago||
I had no idea holding the spacebar moved between characters now. Your comment fixed a years long gripe for me.

I was insanely disappointed when Apple took away the pressure sensitive functionality almost solely because I routinely used it for this purpose, and it never occurred to me that they moved it.

paxys 2 days ago||
Seems like they have a good idea for a phone and want to fund the development using "pre-orders" (aka a Kickstarter). I went through the website and all the marketing and watched the launch video to find out how this thing works, but all I see is the same rendered home screen and lots of promises. Even in the video they show plenty of models of the phone lying around but not a single shot of one turned on and working.

I really do hope they succeed, and will definitely buy one if it turns out to be a viable product, but not before that.

jaustin 2 days ago||
I have a Clicks Keyboard and love it. As far as I can tell the team behind the Clicks are pretty intertwined with https://www.fxtec.com/ - in that FX Tech staff seem to be involved in Clicks support, etc.

The Clicks Keyboard for iPhone (14) was a great concept, and pretty well executed for a V1 - I haven’t tried their follow-up devices.

But assuming it’s the same team, there’s a history of shipping devices behind them.

(That isn’t to encourage you to pre-order! Just to perhaps contribute some more optimism to your hope that they succeed)

mapontosevenths 2 days ago|||
I have the clicks keyboard for the iPhone 16. I haven't used the older one, but I can say its a very solid product as well.

The only annoyance is rememberimg to hold the magic key combo before plugging it in for car play. Regardless, this is a real company that delivers real products of solid quality.

solaire_oa 2 days ago|||
I can confirm, this is sensible advice. I backed the FxTec Pro 1x during a depressive period in depths of COVID. It took ~years of hamstringing for them to deliver, but they did eventually deliver the phone. Even aged as the phone is, it's really well designed, and I occasionally use it with Claude from my couch in the evenings.

Being LineageOS capable is a strong selling point (for the Pro 1x), so if that's on the table with this new phone then I would consider reserving one. But I wouldn't hold my breath that it will ship in 2026.

Ezhik 2 days ago||
Pro 1x also has pretty solid Droidian compatibility, so it can run a full on Linux.
solaire_oa 1 day ago||
I wasn't aware of Droidian, this looks great, thanks!
xp84 2 days ago|||
Indeed. I am highly skeptical of kickstarters (and their ilk) outside of a small subset which is mainly forms of art. Art is something you ought to know for sure if you can achieve it before launching your kickstarter. (And even if the album/photo book/whatever doesn't turn out exactly how you imagined it, you can still give the backers some art of equivalent value.)

Electronics are the exact opposite. Coming up with an idea and getting some renders done is at least 1,000x easier than the remaining work from idea to shipping 10,000 units, therefore it's reasonable to expect that at least 90% of kickstarters for such products will fail to deliver, leaving backers holding the bag, since all our money has been spent already on the failed attempts.

Furthermore, I tend to think that if, due to some combination of their existing reputation + the amount of the work they've already completely finished, the project were a safe bet, then they'd be able to get investors to front them any further needed startup funds the normal way.

mbreese 2 days ago||
Because of their existing product lines, I look at this more like marketing or market research. I'm pretty confident that this will actually be made. For one, the company actually has experience making and selling devices. This is a bit more ambitious than an accessory keyboard, but it's at least experience making something. Second, the pre-order reservation is about half of the full pre-order price. Unlike most Kickstarters where you have to front 100% of the money.

At some point, Kickstarter (et al) campaigns switch from high-risk speculative products to marketing pitches (get in early!). I think this is one of the later. You're right that they could probably have (or have already) funded the product development themselves. I think this pitch is trying to build a market early in the year before potential competitor products are announced.

hasperdi 2 days ago||
looking at this https://youtu.be/u7Uz1YZ5hQA?t=309&si=LvSzi7vXmUCJ2LY3 I think they're in mocking/prototyping phase at the moment.
kh_hk 2 days ago||
My recommendation for someone considering a minimalist / dumbphone / detox / whatever is to avoid expensive products that over-promise their utility. There's no middle ground, it's either usable or it is not, so any in between will just become e-waste eventually.

The alternative I went with, and which I recommend, is getting both a smartphone and a nokia shitphone (no internet). Then ask the carrier for a sim duplicate. These exist, and are in fact a new number that redirects to your number. Use and carry whichever you want, knowing that calls will all go to both phones.

al_borland 1 day ago||
I’m drawn to the idea of a dumb phone, but I can’t realistically move to one full time, as I need an Authenticator app for work. Also, losing mobile access to my password manager would be a nightmare. Going with a smart + dumb phone setup feels like a non-starter. That’s adding more complexity to life, not removing it.

I tend to delete apps from my phone if I find myself spending too much time on them. My “social” folder in the app drawer contains Phone, FaceTime, and Messages. Just the built-in stuff. It also helps to have a healthy level of distrust of these companies, so you don’t want to use their services in the first place.

This doesn’t make the phone “dumb”, but it does make it more of a utility device. I go through my apps pretty regularly looking for stuff to delete. I still have more apps than I’d like, but they are mostly boring (banking, healthcare, etc).

The only big issue that remains is the browser. I can’t get rid of it, but it is still a portal to YouTube, HN, and other such things. This has its pros and cons.

RajT88 2 days ago|||
Speaking of e-Waste:

> Can Communicator be used as my primary phone?

Without them making a statement of how long they will provide security updates for, this could easily go like past phones of mine.

My work tightens their mobile security policy, and the device can no longer meet it. This is for both Android version and security updates. Happened to me a few times where I had to stop using a perfectly good phone which wasn't that old.

(Now I bought a Pixel I only use on wifi - 7 years of updates, and actually better for my WLB, since I leave work at home by default, or stuff a second phone in my pocket if I want to take it with)

kwoff 2 days ago|||
> Without them making a statement of how long they will provide security updates

They said this:

  What version of Android will be supported?

  Communicator will run Android 16. We’re comfortable committing to 2 years of Android updates and 5 years of security updates.
com2kid 2 days ago||||
I've never had a pixel phone last more than 3 years before it stopped turning on, all the way back to Nexus devices.

I'd stop buying them but everything else is bad in some other way. It is hilarious that the official Google phones have the fewest ads and forced app installs.

carlosjobim 1 day ago|||
Why don't you have a work phone? How can you let an employer rule over what you do with your personal device?
RajT88 1 day ago||
I do have a work phone - which works only in wifi mode.

If it's super important, my regular cell gets called. My regular phone has 0 work stuff on it. My employer couldn't access personal stuff on it if they wanted to.

jdalgetty 1 day ago|||
Can you elaborate on the sim duplicate thing - I've never heard of that before - how would I go about getting one of those?
kh_hk 1 day ago|||
On my carrier it's called a MultiSIM. It's having two SIM cards with the same number. On most carriers you can set up if you want this extra SIM to have voice or data (or both). It's usually cheap.

It's true that having two devices might seem complicated, but this is the only setup that ended working out for me: when I know I won't need any smart features on my life, I am happy to go out with my dumphone without worrying about missing urgent calls.

tensegrist 1 day ago|||
smartwatches use those often, so perhaps that's something your carrier will have heard of / offer as a service
mawax 2 days ago|||
Did not know these existed. Just ordered a duo sim from my carrier, thanks!
Void_ 2 days ago||
I just keep my iPhone locked up.

You can go to Screen Time and disable Safari and App Store.

You can protect it with a passcode, which is what I did.

After a few weeks I just got used to my phone being dumb.

Now these apps are unlocked, but the habit is there, and I use it for utility only.

chabad360 2 days ago||
This is very exciting to me, I have been reluctant to upgrade from my Pixel 4a because I've been looking for a small form factor phone, and those seem to have gone extinct. Now here comes a product that both provides a small form factor, and even better, is aimed at reducing distractions and provides features to that effect.

It's running regular Android with a custom version of Niagara launcher (which it seems I need to try), and seems like it's a product built by people who want to use it. Which makes me hopeful that a lot of care was put into designing it. It seems like they're aiming it towards people that want a second device for work, which -in my mind- means there might be some compromises, so I'll be waiting for reviews to decide if it can hold up as a daily driver or not.

It should be noted, they claim that the keyboard is touch sensitive and can be used for scrolling, so it might actually solve some of the usability issues that immediately come to mind.

TBH, I'm a little surprised by all the hate. This might not be a product for you, or it might not speak to you for other reasons. The fact is that this company has seen success with their phone cases (I don't get it either), and has now announced two new products that should reach more of the market (the other is a magsafe slide out keyboard, it's very cool). If you don't like it, fair enough, but that doesn't mean it's a bad product.

thrtythreeforty 2 days ago||
Beautiful hardware. If they'd commit to GrapheneOS's hardware requirements https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices, I'd preorder... I'm stuck on Pixels because Graphene is so nice.
backscratches 2 days ago||
Seconded. Graphene has spoiled me. Here's to hoping graphene's future collaboration with an OEM results in a small physical keyboard device! Not holding my breath, and will choose graphene over any other feature.
UpstairsEmpire 2 days ago||
I mean, is it beautiful though?

Also, who cares if it's beautiful.

carlosjobim 1 day ago|||
It is one of the most beautifully designed electronic devices I've seen recently.

People who will carry the device with them every day care if it is beautiful.

I know Hackers only care about size of RAM, no matter what kind of device and what kind of usage.

beeflet 2 days ago|||
the beauty of machines is case-deep
pmarsh 2 days ago||
This is looking great, hope the camera can at least produce decent photos. So many other phones with a QEWRTY keyboard just have awful cameras.

The Razr 2024/25 + the clicks keyboard is probably the "best" so far. Although I just got a Zinwa Q25. Amazing how good that formfactor feels after having candy bars this long.

petrey 2 days ago|
The site lists the following specs for cameras:

> Cameras

> Rear: 50MP OIS

> Front: 24MP

Honestly, this sounds like a great deal

pmarsh 2 days ago|||
Thanks, I saw that, but I never can make heads or tails of just MP. Feel like some phones have much lower MP but the quality of the photo is much higher.

It does seem like a great deal either way though!

lewiscollard 2 days ago||
> Thanks, I saw that, but I never can make heads or tails of just MP. Feel like some phones have much lower MP but the quality of the photo is much higher.

It does not merely feel that way; it often is. That is because megapixels measure the dimensions of the files the camera generates (this is not the same as resolution) and as such are almost the worst measure of camera quality.

Boring tech websites like comparing megapixels, because that is a number, and that allows people who do not know how cameras work to review products and have opinions without actually using them. Truth is that pixels, a measure of resolution, have been irrelevant for years when one is not printing them huge or looking at them full-size on gigantic computer monitors. More or less nobody is doing that these days; they're looking at them a few inches wide on their phones or tablets, usually via [insert social app] that downsizes and compresses the shit out of them to save on bandwidth & storage.

Things like

* colour rendition * contrast rendition * low-light ability * speed of operation (allows you to get a photo in the first place) * and more things I could name

...are all far more important to what makes a good camera on a phone. If more people were like you and actually LOOKED AT THE PHOTOS we might have ended up with much better cameras than we have now.

rchaud 2 days ago|||
If pictures are important to the buyer, they should get a high end Samsung, iPhone or specialty Huawei/Vivo models. Every other phone will have a generic camera lens and imaging algorithm. Source: I have purchased a lot of phones. A 4 year old Galaxy S22 will take better pictures than a 2025 Motorola or any other Tier 2 Android brand.
ulfw 2 days ago||
Funny how you are missing Oppo and Xiaomi which are heavily focused on photography with their collaborations on Hasselblad color science and Leica respectively
class3shock 2 days ago||
The Communicator is interesting but why are they marketing this as a "second" phone? I can see buying this as a primary but who is really looking for a phone they carry specifically as a backup for when they want a keyboard?
growt 2 days ago||
If you’re aiming for the second phone market you don’t have to beat the iPhone. Probably the easier pitch.
philistine 2 days ago|||
A second phone market has never been a thing. History is filled with failed attempts.

They should focus on the largest potential market: parents who buy a phone like this to text with their kids without allowing them to have a completely internet connected phone.

growt 2 days ago|||
From my experience as a parent, that market is also very small, because the time between “child is old enough to text and be away from parents for long enough” to “child wants to have a real phone” is not that long.
turtletontine 2 days ago||
Is there any potential market of parents like this: "my child wants a real phone, but I won't give them one because they'll melt their brain with tiktok and instagram"? I'm not a parent, but I imagine I'd feel something like this.
hrimfaxi 2 days ago||
The problem is other kids will get real phones and use them to talk to each other and your kid will be left out. And unlike the old days, kids can't just ring up the house line to chat.
sidrag22 2 days ago|||
kinda comes across as building what they want personally, what resonated with me was the potential for just a simple merging of modern stuff with older styles, the beloved blackberry, paired with headphone jack, and sd card, toss in a removable battery? already a fairly viable product with stock android and no other changes. the curated display or whatever... its just push notifications in the order they were delivered.. is this not just what modern push notifications already do? my default is to immediately have push notifications off, unless its a vital app. i assume anyone serious about using their phone as a tool rather than an entertainment device is operating similarly, and they'd be the target market if im reading into this correctly.

Hope that simple idea for the colored button based on what your notification is will catch on, thats pretty neat design.

meursault 2 days ago|||
This is 100% the reason. I watched BlackBerry fail from the inside and there’s always been an extremely vocal minority of former BB users who want to go back to a physical keyboard. This is a niche product for that audience at best, it will never have mass market appeal as a primary device. I don’t think it will have mass market appeal as a secondary device for the same reasons as others have pointed out in this thread either, but I respect them shooting their shot I guess.
rchaud 1 day ago||
Blackberry made regular slab phones too and they were massively outsold by the keyboard ones. Why would anyone buy a slab phone running an obscure OS that lacked any major apps, when Android and iPhone were available? The keyboard was always the selling point.

The fact of the matter is that the smartphone market could not support more than a few players. Blackberry was just one of several vendors without vertically integrated supply chains that disappeared: HTC, Nokia, LG and Sony all abandoned the market as well.

mbel 2 days ago|||
The primary use case that I can see is following: you use your second phone — the communicator — to chat, while watching endless stream of tiktoks/reels/shorts on the first one.
pmdr 1 day ago|||
I expect an unimpressive camera and (hopefully not) battery.
UpstairsEmpire 2 days ago||
At 3:45 in the launch video they give their "reasoning" saying "companion devices are on the rise" like using a smart watch and a smart ring (who does this?), or a tablet and a phone.

But... Two phones?

Everyone I've ever known with two phones has been embarassed to have to have the second one.

It's DOA.

analogpixel 2 days ago||
This might actually get me to switch away from apple. Although I've gotten to the point where I realize that phones are mostly gimmicky sales portals, and it's just easier to do stuff on a real computer.

I second/third/forth all the other comments on this already, it would be better if I didn't have to buy into the google android system; seems like google has lost most of the trust with most people.

memco 2 days ago|
This company makes cases with a physical keyboard for iPhone 14+ so if you just want the keyboard you might be able to get one of those instead.
rchaud 2 days ago|
If they really wanted this to be about "doing", they'd give the USB-C port display out capability and let it be used with an external display, like Samsung does with DeX. Android phones with a lapdock and desktop UI are almost indistinguishable from a laptop.
kevinmichaluk 2 days ago|
It does! Keep it a secret though, OK? Was going to save that for a surprise.
kabouik 1 day ago|||
If this is confirmed, this is going to be the ultimate XR glasses companion, and will be easily distinguished fromm the Titan 2 with DP, SD and Jack. I hope you guys don't drop this DP plan in the end!
rchaud 2 days ago||||
Wow, pkb, 3.5mm jack, microSD and display out? That's a winning set of specs in my book. Well done!
Topfi 2 days ago|||
Hey, it's CrackBerry Kevin.

If you don't mind me asking on here, what materials will the frame be made out of? Asking because I used my 15 Pro Max Clicks somewhat intensely and managed to dig through the rubber on the bottom right and bottom left edge with the friction from typing alone. Keyboard still works flawlessly, but the case looks like it's seen an apocalypse...

Also would love to see a video showcase of the touch functionality on the keyboard, I can already imagine a few ways that'll be useful.

Am personally waiting for the next Razr before deciding whether I'll replace my iPhone with a Communicator or the next Clicks for Razr (hoping that there will be one). Then again, Motorola has hinted at a book style foldable for CES so if that is interesting, might go for the PowerKeys instead. Or might there be something for larger phones, perhaps inspired by an old Samsung phone, dare we dream? That'd "zeal" my purchase for sure...

The keyboard is a really good lock in mind you, once I got the hang of it I really detested (a very strong word, but it is true) any time I had to use a smartphone without one, even if only briefly.

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