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Posted by 01-_- 4 hours ago

Google co-founder reveals that "many" of the new hires do not have a degree(www.yahoo.com)
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mmmlinux 2 hours ago|
There is no way you could even get remotely looked at with out being a rock star that came to their attention through some other means. No one applying cold with no degree is getting past the trashcan.
lovich 1 hour ago|
Yea, this seems like a submarine article. You won’t even get a human to look at your resume before the ATS trashes it if you don’t have the credentials they’re looking for and they still have those.

I checked at random on their careers page for non entry level roles, ones you’d expect that you don’t need to rely on education as a signal like for entry level, and they are still having minimum qualifications of a bachelors, and preferred qualifications of a masters

https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/jobs/resul...

skybrian 3 hours ago||
Not sure this is actually news, since it seems like Google would sometimes hire people like that from the beginning. Still a lot of PhD's though.
9rx 3 hours ago|
Not to mention that to the extent that it is newsworthy, it was already widely reported decades ago. e.g. https://www.businessinsider.com/google-hiring-non-graduates-...

Slow news day, I guess.

Attummm 2 hours ago||
There is evidence that exceptionally high intelligence can work against someone in the normal world and is linked to negative school outcomes.
robocat 2 minutes ago||
We are taught that schooling level is related to intelligence, then we internalise that concept, then we make silly assumptions based on that concept.

Plenty of highly intelligent people see through the farce of education, or decide that being submissive to a system is bad, or their intelligence has found better opportunities.

Higher education does not make you more intelligent. Nor is it a good filter/measure of intelligence.

I pay attention to successful friends that left school at 15. Unfortunately that is a biased sample of people with no higher education: they are smart effective and hard-working.

internetter 2 hours ago||
This is my intuition according to empirical evidence but I’m curious if you have any studies on this matter?
adrian_b 57 minutes ago||
I am not aware of studies, but my experience agrees with this and I see nothing surprising in it.

In the schools in which I was, the best results were obtained by the students who were intelligent, but not too intelligent, because they were able to accomplish easily whatever was requested from them by the teachers and they were content with that, so they had good relationships with all teachers, resulting in uniformly good grades.

The students who were more intelligent than that, had difficulties, because they were frequently better than the teachers. Few teachers were OK with that, especially when the better students were unable to restrain themselves to not point at mistakes done by the teachers. Even when they avoided conflicts with the teachers about what is right and wrong, the better students were bored by what they were taught and they were reluctant to do various kinds of homework that seemed pointless for them. So they usually did not have good relationships with most teachers, with the exception of a few teachers, who either were very good themselves or they appreciated better talent when they saw it. So the best students had excellent grades only at one subject or two, with low grades at many others, so they ended only with average grades.

arrsingh 2 hours ago||
I remember when I was at the CMU Robotics institute in the graduate program (Robotics / AI) in 2003 and Google came on campus and they wouldn't even consider anyone without a PhD - the campus recruiter advised me to apply when I had completed my PhD.

Glad I didn't spend another 8 years and instead took a job at AWS.

My how things have changed!

dinobones 3 hours ago||
It's not that hard to notice this, just google "{university} {degree} syllabus" and you can see all the courses that the student will take.

In my case, I have CS degree and work as SWE but I probably would've been fine with just my Data Structures & Algos course as I already had programming experience.

Are computational theory, circuits 101, discrete math, logic 101, etc necessary for being a good SWE? Probably not, but they do probably expand your mind a bit.

lvl155 2 hours ago||
There’s a weird bias that software development is difficult. It’s mostly monkey stuff. 80-90% of the job is basically coding up things to spec. You can make an argument that being a car mechanic is far more difficult than being a front-end monkey.
tonyedgecombe 2 hours ago|
It’s very easy to take that knowledge you built over years for granted. Of course it is easy if you have been internalising it over your career.
parliament32 3 hours ago||
Anecdotal, but some of my best hires were either degree-less, or had education in an unrelated field.

I think degrees are useful for comparing candidates with no experience (work or project experience, that is), but beyond that have little value. Especially when the candidate's university years were a decade or longer ago. If you've been working for at least a couple years I won't really look at your education at all.

kevin061 3 hours ago||
This isn't really news... 11y ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/s/UNzUl30ZUe
reactordev 3 hours ago|
This has always been true in tech. Degree’s pave way to leadership but skills opens doors.

If you have skills, you can get a job. If you have a degree, you can get a job. If you can GDB, you can get a job. You just have to go out and get one.

selimthegrim 2 hours ago|
I invite you to come apply for remote jobs out of Louisiana and be so glib.
reactordev 1 hour ago||
Being remote, why would I look in Louisiana? Look anywhere in the US. Live anywhere. Work anywhere.
selimthegrim 1 hour ago||
The trick is getting the interviews. "Out of" meaning with that address.
reactordev 1 hour ago||
So take it off the resume. The only time they need to know your address is when HR adds you to onboarding so they can pay taxes. There’s more nuance than this but ultimately it’s not really that important. Some states require the employer to post salaries or do this or that to do business in the state. For those companies that refuse to hire from your state, refuse to do business with those companies. Easy.
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