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Posted by dbushell 17 hours ago

Proton Spam and the AI Consent Problem(dbushell.com)
451 points | 303 commentspage 3
eightys3v3n 10 hours ago|
I had a similar problem with SunLife marketing emails. I would unsubscribe from everything there was an option for, then a month later I would get another marketing email setting personal finance advisors. I spoke to support to be told how to unsubscribe, then that it "was an account information email not a marketing email so I cauld not unsubscribe".

Eventually after escalating I was put on a do not email list and haven't received emails since; though they do still send crap to my work email.

gampleman 10 hours ago|
I tend to have a policy: I will click on your unsubscribe button once, after that it's straight to 'report spam'. If that sinks your domain ratings, that's on you.
eightys3v3n 9 hours ago||
Yeah except once in a blue moon they send an email I do need that really is account information and all from the same SunLife email :/

Otherwise I have the same policy.

nkmnz 14 hours ago||
Proton should pay that guy for his rage post. First time I’ve heard about Lumo, will certainly try it out!
fergie 16 hours ago||
> Proton for Business newsletter

AFAIK you are legally allowed to spam businesses, but not individuals. A handy get-out clause for marketeers.

robin_reala 16 hours ago|
How do you know the address you’re emailing belongs to a business? The head of A&A ISP in the UK used to regularly win ~£100 judgements in small claims from spammers because his personal email was leased for a nominal fee from aa.net.uk, the same domain as his business.
fergie 15 hours ago|||
OP had checked that they would like to receive the "Proton for Business newsletter", and on that basis was deemed a "business".
ivan_gammel 16 hours ago||||
If your email is used as a contact on Business subscription it is safe to assume that it is used for business purposes.
petesergeant 15 hours ago|||
I mean that's cute and all, but it's a party trick, and very unlikely it caused any actual behaviour to change.
alex_young 5 hours ago||
This is some fine wine.

I want to get x, y, and z marketing email but not w.

They sent me something consider w. Outrage!

uhfraid 3 hours ago|
This is what’s called a “customer complaint” at real businesses with real paying customers lol
dwedge 15 hours ago||
This is good timing actually. I've been self-hosting SimpleLogin for a while but was considering the lifetime subscription to Proton to get it (it comes with ProtonPass but I selfhost VaultWarden).

Last week I logged into my Proton mail that I'd used last year for some government contact to get the dates, and they'd deleted the account for inactivity. Ok, I don't pay, they're entitled. But now I see this and I think maybe I'll save the $150 or whatever it is.

tmarice 14 hours ago||
I've been using Fastmail for years now, and I'm completely satisfied. Custom domain + built-in masked email functionality works great.
chrisjj 10 hours ago|
The FM Masked Email is insecure in that there is a circumstance under which it can leak your real email.
LucaMo 15 hours ago||
Legit point and agreed with everything, however wait until an email address of yours reaches the database of lead generation websites and you will see that you will never be able to keep count of the violations. Newsletter lists add your email in automatically and people sell you stuff without the unsubscribe button in the email, so no way to block them... I understand your concern but dealing with far worse
bartbutler 12 hours ago||
Hey, Proton CTO here. There was a bug, and we fucked up. Support should have reported it up the chain and acknowledged this. Things happen, especially at scale, but we take comms consent seriously and will fix it.
Washuu 4 hours ago||
Can you fix the fact that this new email spam category was added and that I was automatically opted into receiving it without my consent? That's fucked. I'm a paying customer and I keep getting advertisements in the Proton desktop applications for various things.(Black Friday deals, other stuff.) I should never see these advertisements if I'm paying you.
ivan_gammel 11 hours ago|||
Thanks for acknowledging it. Your support team misattributed the email to Business category. It may help to have the exact name of subscription category in the footer of the message.
bartbutler 11 hours ago||
That's not a bad idea, I'll see what people think. Note that clicking on the unsubscribe link will unsubscribe you to whatever comms preference was specified in the sending and tell you what it was.
chrisjj 10 hours ago||
Thanks. Well done.
g947o 13 hours ago||
When I migrated my email from Gmail, I took a careful look at Proton and Fastmail.

Proton's very questionable design and claims around encrypted emails and their service offerings made me concerned, which were the main reasons I went with Fastmail.

So far it has worked well, and I hope it stays that way.

heikkilevanto 12 hours ago||
Same here. Tried out Proton and Fastmail, and chose Fastmail. Been happy with it for a few months so far.
alex1138 9 hours ago||
Proton's UX just subjectively FEELS bad
Cyan488 10 hours ago|
Funny they mentioned the GitHub email. I got the same one and unsubscribed from every GitHub email immediately. I wonder if they track how fast people unsubscribe after opening particular emails.
plagiarist 10 hours ago|
They do. Companies will track app uninstalls also.
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