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Posted by s_dev 8 hours ago

European Alternatives(european-alternatives.eu)
469 points | 219 comments
vldszn 4 hours ago|
I submitted my project EasyInvoicePDF (a free & open-source invoice generator) a couple of months ago to European Alternatives but never heard back unfortunately.

The project has no backend and is purely browser-based, but I’m based in Europe and developing the project here, so I consider it a European project =)

App: https://easyinvoicepdf.com/?template=stripe

GitHub: https://github.com/VladSez/easy-invoice-pdf

s_dev 4 hours ago||
It's a cool project but it is 'niche'.

I think the purpose of the site is more about the alternatives to 'large players', platforms and infrastructure companies. Still Constantin Graf should have clarified out of politeness but possibly he's busy or doesn't have time to respond to every email.

However I'd point out there is a market for European 'Product Hunt' that would include more of these smaller projects.

vldszn 4 hours ago|||
Thanks for the comment. I hadn’t thought about this before, but it makes sense - I agree.

About European Product Hunt - very good idea.

I was thinking recently that we need more European social networks, messengers, etc.

It’s a very good time to build imo =)

embedding-shape 2 hours ago||
> About European Product Hunt - very good idea.

Older members of HN will remember that Product Hunt probably came to life a lot because of HN and the submissions/comments from rrhoover (founder of Product Hunt). He's still active here, but before/during Product Hunt launch he was very active if I remember correctly.

Maybe a grander idea is a European Hacker News, that has the potential to spawn the European Product Hunts of tomorrow :)

tialaramex 2 hours ago||
I don't know that an EU Hacker News makes sense, a core EU idea is Freedom of Movement.

This started out as an ideal about Goods. You make a Doodad in Venice, clearly there should be as few obstacles as possible to prevent somebody in Dublin having that Doodad, so no export taxes between Venice and Dublin, shared regulatory framework so that your Venice "This Doodad won't choke a baby/ burn down a house/ spy on you/ etc." paperwork is valid in Dublin, and so on.

But immediately people who make goods said well this rule needs to include Capital, it's great that I can sell Doodads from Venice in Dublin, but if I want to build a Doodad factory in Venice but my money is in Dublin that should be easy too. And Workers realised if it's just Capital and Goods then it's a race to the bottom for Labour, the Capital and Goods will go where it's cheapest but the workers can't move. So very soon Workers can move freely too, in order that Hans the Doodad Engineer can move to Venice and the courts ended up deciding that in practice everybody gets this freedom, a 5 year old can't have a job and a 105 year old probably doesn't want one, but maybe Hans needs to support his 5 year old grand-daughter and his 105 year old grandfather, so Freedom of Movement must apply to all EU citizens.

So, with that idea in mind, I suspect the EU's perspective is that you should come to Europe and write software here, rather than that you should stay exactly where you are and if it's not an EU country then too bad, no EU Product Hunt for you.

embedding-shape 1 hour ago||
I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? Yes, a core idea is freedom of movement, but you make no case for why that makes EU Hacker News infeasible? It has nothing to do with where people write software. I'm using US Hacker News, and I'm in Europe, is that wrong/bad, or what's your argument here?
carlosjobim 1 hour ago|||
I don't think creating an invoice is "niche". It is such a common need for users that invoicing software should be included in the operating system application suite. (Which it is somewhat if you consider Pages invoice templates).

Millions and millions of people need to make and send invoices. Many more than people who need domain name registrars, uptime monitoring services, content delivery networks, or microblogging services.

vldszn 36 minutes ago||
Hard agree
Notch123 15 minutes ago|||
I have been working on https://1launch.eu for the past two months. Very MVP stage. I don't plan to be in the same niche as european-alternatives, but it is very much inspired by this. It is largely meant to be a ProductHunt / AngelList for Europe with a couple of key features especially for the European market (like instant translation into all 24 languages of the EU to launch in the whole European market in one go). If you want to launch on the platform or want to be involved in a different way, send me an email on hackernews@1launch.eu
reconnecting 3 hours ago|||
Same here.

Open-source security framework (1). Applied 16 August 2025. Company registered in Switzerland (EFTA). No reply.

However, European Alternatives is a personal (sole proprietorship) website and has nothing to do with Europe, despite the name and style, which are slightly misleading as they mimic official EU website aesthetics.

1. GitHub: https://github.com/tirrenotechnologies/tirreno

vldszn 3 hours ago||
Make sense.

Btw tirreno looks very cool, just starred on GitHub :)

reconnecting 3 hours ago||
Thanks so much!
quicksilver03 3 hours ago|||
I've seen the same thing, the site accepts submissions but there's no one to either approve or reject them.

Unfortunately they did really well at SEO at one time, and more active alternatives appear far below in the search results.

vldszn 3 hours ago||
Do you know any good alternatives?
quicksilver03 45 minutes ago||
I've been able to submit new entries to

https://eucloud.tech/

https://buy-european.net/

I've also found other problematic ones:

https://euro-stack.com/ (I couldn't understand how to submit a new entry)

https://www.goeuropean.org/ (all submissions fail with an AirTable error [sic] that the workspace is at the record limit)

vldszn 35 minutes ago||
Interesting. Thanks for the info
cocoto 3 hours ago|||
I think the biggest issue is that your product is not from a company generating money (and taxes). IMO as an european, I think we should aim for open source, not corporate software, but free and open source software is generating way less jobs and taxes money.
badsectoracula 2 hours ago|||
The site has a lot of open source projects though, in fact i found about copyparty[0] from it because it was listed as an alternative to file hosting services (though it was removed since then, probably because it isn't a service :-P but still there are various FLOSS projects).

[0] https://github.com/9001/copyparty

vldszn 3 hours ago|||
Yes, make sense.

I plan to add a paid “pro” version with more features, but the current functionality will remain free.

albertgoeswoof 2 hours ago|||
Same, can’t get https://mailpace.com listed, no idea why
schubidubiduba 3 hours ago||
> template=stripe

Maybe this was enough to not include it?

vldszn 3 hours ago||
What is the problem with “/?template=stripe”…?

=)

202508042147 1 hour ago||
One obvious thing missing from any of those lists: Visa and Mastercard alternatives. This is the protection money that is never brought up by the US officials when they say that America was paying for our security.
mpol 11 minutes ago|
Wero is coming. Currently it is only available in a few countries.
202508042147 37 seconds ago||
+1 for Wero! Unsure where I can see their timeline.
202508042147 1 hour ago||
Doing my bit: migrating my small company's db this weekend from AWS RDS to Hetzner VPS + volumes. Fingers crossed!

Already done: replaced SendGrid with Sweego.

Later: move domains from US registrar to EU based.

The difficult bit is the Microsoft Office because we are also using Azure DevOps for code, tickets, wiki and ci/cd.

toomuchtodo 58 minutes ago|
What EU based registrars would you recommend?
202508042147 20 minutes ago|||
I haven't looked into this yet, so I cannot recommend. I'll work my way through the list here: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/domain-name-regist...
mindhunter 17 minutes ago||||
https://www.inwx.de/en
wolvoleo 37 minutes ago|||
For me personally, one that's well supported by DNS-01 providers for let's encrypt.

Unfortunately there's not that many and often the process is broken.

s_dev 8 hours ago||
Same submission from a few years ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29627097

What's insightful to me is how fast the list of alternatives are growing.

The list is much better now than 2021 and we still have a long way to go.

Also Constantin Graf needs to add a new Category: "LLM Clients" or "AI Tooling"

ulrischa 1 hour ago||
This is great. Since the greenland crisis I'm busy replacing all my us software and other products (e.g. no Heinz, no Apple...)
j1elo 1 hour ago||
Does this hook up with promotion of the EUPL [1] as a preferred license for software? Does it even make more sense for european FOSS authors over the GPL family?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Public_Licence

mschae23 1 hour ago|
The EUPL is a fine license, especially if your goal is wide compatibility with other copyleft licenses. However, that compatibility also weakens its own copyleft, which could be surprising if you just read the main text.

Also, the GPL is not as short and has more explicit wording for how it behaves in common situations (like the P2P copying stuff, for example), and it allows certain additional restrictions and exceptions (like what the LGPL is). It's just more well thought-out in my opinion.

Edit: Reading it again, I also just remembered that the EUPL's warranty disclaimer is a lot weaker than usual licenses, and weirdly also asserts the program is a “work in progress”.

palata 6 minutes ago||
> However, that compatibility also weakens its own copyleft

Can you elaborate on that?

My understanding is that EUPL is a bit like MPLv2 or LGPL in the spirit. Like it protects the project itself, but doesn't go viral like the GPL.

Mojah 1 hour ago||
We’ve been seeing a surprising amount of leads come through this site, clearly the demand for a EU alternative is high.
loehnsberg 5 hours ago||
Isn't it sad that we now have Russian, Chinese, American, European, etc alternatives? I mean I get it, Sept 11 paved the way for FISA orders and NSA overreach, Russia and China reverted back into dictatorship, but Europe is also at the edge. Shouldn't we rather fight that nationalistic power grab that just makes us all poorer and less free? And instead propagate global alternatives that are not subjected by some power-hungry state-/capital-sponsored overlord?
madwolf 4 hours ago||
What are global alternatives? Every company is connected to some country, there are no global alternatives. I live in EU and want to use EU services mainly because I want this part of the world to prosper. I want to leave my money and incentivise innovation in this part of the world because this is where I live and I want a better life here for me and my kids. And alternatives are always good, especially that they’re not closed. People in the US can use services from EU companies as well :) why not?
kromokromo 3 hours ago||
Theoretically possible in a distributed way, though usually inefficient. IPFS is a good example.
BenoitEssiambre 3 hours ago|||
It is a sad reality. The US has recently threatened to annex Denmark and Canada. Some of us are suddenly keenly aware that the US is in a position to take control of most of our computers and phones via software updates.

Open source is the global alternative you're looking for. There's even interesting hardware options like https://starlabs.systems/

The US also has had an unfair advantage in tech/defense and finance because it hosted the global hubs of the free world. This attracted eye-watering amounts of money to places like SF and NY. With this newfound isolationism, tariffs etc. reducing the viability of hosting the global hubs, there's massive opportunities opening in europe and elsewhere.

whilenot-dev 3 hours ago|||
> Isn't it sad that we now have Russian, Chinese, American, European, etc alternatives? [...] Shouldn't we rather fight that nationalistic power grab [...]

While I agree with your sentiment, European and nationalistic are two contradicting positions, unlike the other three mentioned superpowers.

ivan_gammel 2 hours ago||
Not really. The forging pan-European nation composed of many nationalities is a thing in all meaningful contexts. European civilization, European economy, European products, European voters etc.
whilenot-dev 2 hours ago||
Not really, no. Europe is neither a sovereign state nor a single political entity. It's a continent composed of many individual nations with a versatile history.

I mean sure, your example shows that the virtue of being "European" represents a certain demographic and a sovereign territory. Again, it's a continent, so what?

lmf4lol 1 hour ago||
yet
whilenot-dev 1 hour ago||
Probably never... European nations rather seem to enjoy forming Unions, Agreements and Organizations.
tpoacher 3 hours ago|||
No,not sad, centralisation is always problematic even if well meaning. The presence of diverse alternatives is a feature, not a bug.

As long as they're actual alternatives of course, rather than just another monopoly but at a smaller scale.

NoboruWataya 4 hours ago|||
This might be possible for software, if we assume that being open source can protect software from state or corporate control (doubtful to be honest). For other things I don't really see how it would work. Your hardware has to be manufactured somewhere, your infrastructure has to be located somewhere.

It is not "nationalistic" to prefer things that are made in Europe. Europe is not a nation and very few people feel anything close to national pride about it. I like that we have European alternatives instead of German, French, Swedish, etc, alternatives.

oytis 2 hours ago|||
First of all, US is at the edge of a dictatorship. If US falls completely, Europe will likely too, but untangling ourselves from US is an attempt to prevent that.
direwolf20 3 hours ago|||
The European alternatives are not restricted to Europe.
carlosjobim 1 hour ago||
Qwant seems to be.
ungovernableCat 1 hour ago|||
European leaders fundamentally have no issue with Americans dominating tech and were happy to have their entire digital infrastructures rely on US companies. If the Trump admin could give them some sort of nod behind the scenes that all of this is just a big show and they're not actually going to break NATO or invade or w/e insane shit they're saying I guarantee you a sizeable amount would just say hey no worries then let's keep the status quo going.

But that's not what's happening. It's a clear and obvious security risk to their sovereignty. If the government can't guarantee that to its citizens then what even is its purpose? The Trump admin has already tried to use American tech dominance as leverage.

Ask yourself this question, what if there was a foreign tech competitor that managed to scale up to be basically a better cheaper AWS. Would the US government ever allow it to encroach its market to the point that AWS or Azure did in Europe? Look at what happened to tiktok if you want to see what approach they'd likely take.

So how exactly would you envision an objective and neutral provider in a world of geopolitical competition?

AndroTux 5 hours ago|||
Competition is always good. It's sad that there's been so little alternatives in the past. I'm glad that this is now slowly changing.

What we should work towards, though, is interoperability and open source solutions.

toyg 4 hours ago|||
> Sept 11 paved the way for FISA orders and NSA overreach

It's not even that. We euros were more than willing to look the other way (see the umpteen attempts to reconcile our privacy-friendly legislation with the free-for-all of American services, ongoing for decades) in the name of convenience and fundamentally shared values. The turning point was really in 2024/2025, when those shared values were summarily swept away on the other side of the Atlantic.

Besides, the "global alternatives not subjected to power-hungry overlords" are actually very much subjected to the worst of humanity, and wide open to exploitation from such overlords.

tucnak 2 hours ago||
> Besides, the "global alternatives not subjected to power-hungry overlords" are actually very much subjected to the worst of humanity, and wide open to exploitation from such overlords.

This is, in fact, what "overlord" means!

Archelaos 5 hours ago|||
Nothing against global standards and similar. But even "global alternatives" are usually rooted somewhere locally, and that starts to matter more and more, it seems.
thatguy0900 4 hours ago|||
I think the opposite as you. These global companies often act as a nation with laws unto themselves. Most of them don't actually have real support that can do anything unless you make a lucky Twitter post or something. Having a local company that is realistically beholden to local laws and local politicians that you can actually potentially go and talk to if needed is a major feature.
nolok 4 hours ago||
I'm really not sad about having alternative and choices, especially it also leads to reduce corporate overlordship.
retired 5 hours ago||
Is there a European alternative for this website?
breezykoi 5 hours ago||
journalduhacker.net (in french)
BenoitEssiambre 2 hours ago|||
Its founder lives in europe so there's that.
s_dev 2 hours ago||
I think he means Hacker News rather than EU Alternatives.
nxpnsv 22 minutes ago|||
Someone should make news.eucombinator.eu…
badsectoracula 2 hours ago||||
Paul Graham lives in UK.
s_dev 2 hours ago||
That doesn't make Hacker News European. It is American. Y Combinator is American even if pg is originally British. Stripe is American but its founders are Irish.
badsectoracula 1 hour ago|||
Yeah i know, my response was a clarification that BenoitEssiambre was referring to the founder, not the site itself. My interpretation of the "so there's that" part of the message, was an acknowledgement that Hacker News is hosted in US, but if nothing else the founder is living in UK.
BenoitEssiambre 2 hours ago|||
I also mean Hacker News
noodlebird 5 hours ago|||
techposts.eu i reckon
timeon 53 minutes ago||
Seems to be US-hosted.
fsflover 2 hours ago|||
Perhaps Lemmy may count based on distributed ActivityPub protocol with some servers in Europe.
drnick1 5 hours ago||
The irony is that European alternatives are still in English, when no European country (since the departure of the U.K. from Europe) actually uses that language.
nolok 4 hours ago|||
The amount of things wrong is impressive

You're confusing Europe and the EU

You're forgetting about Ireland and Malta

You're thinking that because the UK left the EU it will change the main language countries use to speak to each others

drnick1 3 hours ago|||
> You're thinking that because the UK left the EU it will change the main language countries use to speak to each others

Yes, and that's precisely the irony. Europeans still need to subject themselves to Anglo "cultural imperialism" or absolutely nothing works, starting with communication across national borders.

palata 4 minutes ago|||
> Europeans still need to subject themselves to Anglo "cultural imperialism" or absolutely nothing works, starting with communication across national borders.

Do you have a single clue about Europe? That's not true at all.

schubidubiduba 3 hours ago||||
The english language has ceased to be something unique to the anglocultural world a while ago. You're making this out to be much more than it is
throw__away7391 35 minutes ago||||
And the US still uses Arabic numerals in spite of banning visas for basically every Arab country in the world.
timeon 2 hours ago|||
We actually already use Globish that has different idioms and so on. End we can express different kind of informations there.
aleph_minus_one 4 hours ago|||
> You're forgetting about Ireland and Malta

In both countries English is only one of the official languages.

nolok 4 hours ago|||
And how does that change anything to what is being said ? English is only one of the official languages of the UN or NATO or the WHO or ...
anigbrowl 1 hour ago||||
Hardly anyone uses Irish in daily life or for official purposes, notwithstanding its official status. 99% of the Irish you hear outside a classroom is performative.
ben_w 3 hours ago|||
Mae hyn yn wir o fewn y DU hefyd.

:P

jacquesm 2 hours ago||||
A language is a tool, not a nationality or a border.

Your average educated European speaks at least three, one of which is English because it is a good language to have because it is the language of international commerce. This has been the case since many decades and has nothing to do with using the language internally.

But: many people do use it internally. French tourists abroad are more likely to use English than French. European colleagues usually standardize on English, both for their communications as well as for their documentation needs.

Scientific literature is predominantly in English (at least, for now).

So there are many reasons to use English which have nothing to do with allegiance or dependence.

pepinator 2 hours ago||
> Your average European speaks at least three

ok ok I get the point but let's not exaggerate

palata 1 minute ago|||
It was edited to "average educated European", whatever that means.

But I think two languages is probably not exagerating. And not only in Europe. People have their native language and usually an international one (in Europe that would be English).

retired 1 hour ago|||
It has been edited to "average educated European". If going by tertiary education, that is about 30% to 35% of the European population. I wouldn't be surprised if that group speaks three languages. In Spain it is typical to speak three of Spanish, Catalan, Valencian, Galician, Basque, Portugese, Arabic, English. In The Netherlands basically anyone speaks Dutch and English plus a third language, usually Frisian, Limburgish, German, French, Spanish, Turkish or Arabic.
tene80i 5 hours ago||||
The UK did not leave Europe. Just the EU. But also English fluency is widespread, so it’s not a bad starting point.
drnick1 2 hours ago|||
> But also English fluency is widespread, so it’s not a bad starting point.

Being able to string together a couple of sentences is not "being fluent." By that standard, all of America would be fluent in Spanish.

hagbard_c 1 hour ago||
Neither is pedantry a sign of intelligence, a message many a contributor to this here site would be good to take to heart. As to the choice of language English is and will most likely remain the lingua franca (pun intended) in most of Europe as it is the language which is most often learned as a second language. While many Europeans are not fluent in this language they do manage to read and make themselves understood in it. This makes it not a bad starting point just like the grandparent stated.
direwolf20 3 hours ago|||
English is also the lingua franca (French language) of computers.
ogogmad 2 hours ago||
Fun fact: The term Lingua Franca originally meant something closer to Portuguese than the French spoken at the time. Eventually though, the French language did become the Lingua Franca truly, for some time.
retired 5 hours ago||||
It has been around 300 million years since the UK drifted away from continental Europe but it is still very much part of it!
robin_reala 4 hours ago||
The British isles were still connected to the continent 20k years ago.
retired 3 hours ago||
Technically they reconnected 31 years ago with the tunnel.
s_dev 5 hours ago||||
Ireland and Malta.

You would be shocked at how well certain nationalities like the Dutch and Swedes speak English.

bradyd 5 hours ago||||
The UK is still in Europe. They didn't move from the continent.
dpassens 5 hours ago|||
Except for Ireland.
pjmlp 6 hours ago|
Categories missing:

- Operating systems, for various kinds of workloads

- Programming language toolchains

- Hardware vendors

pjc50 4 hours ago||
Open source generally meets the needs of the first two. There's barely any proprietary toolchains left in common use; maybe Oracle Java is one of the last?

Hardware you can buy from China. Distant, predictable authoritarianism that doesn't make annoying social media posts is sadly preferable to .. whatever is going on over there.

pjmlp 4 hours ago||
Only if there are European resources to keep the lights on.

Java is FOSS by the way, however it is also a good example, its runtime capabilities isn't the product of long nights and weekends.

ben_w 4 hours ago|||
Keeping the lights on is sufficient for the immediate concerns.

We can worry about feature growth later, if at all. It may be age finally changing my preferences, but so much of what I've seen sold as "new" in tech in recent years has been either worse than what I already had or a reinvention of something that already existed. Like, contactless payments were already a thing before they were available in phones, and social media didn't start with FB and twitter, and Apple's API updates in the last few years feel like as much of a downgrade to me as their icons seem to be to UI blogs.

jimnotgym 5 hours ago|||
I don't see the issue with Operating systems or programming languages. There are FOSS alternatives and since they are run locally have no connection outside of the EU.

Hardware vendors is a different issue

pjmlp 5 hours ago||
You are missing the big picture who develops them, pays the salaries of people in the trenches, implement LSPs, and whatever else around the ecosystems.

Example, Java, .NET, Go and co are FOSS, how long do you think they will keep on going without their overlords?

For complete alternatives we need to go back to the cold war days, where programming languages were driven by vendor neutral standards, and there were several to buy from.

As it is, it suffices to take the air out of existing FOSS options.

Even if you quickly point out to GCC and clang, one reason why they have dropped implementation velocity from existing ISO revisions is due to a few well known big corps focusing on their own offerings, while other vendors seldom upstream stuff as they focus on clang.

EDIT: As I missed this on the first comment, same applies to the big FOSS OS projects, most contributions to the major Linux distros, or the BSDs come from non European companies, there is naturally something like SuSE, but then we get into the whole who is allowed to contribute, security, backdoors and related stuff.

nitwit005 2 hours ago|||
People are still running on Java 1.8, which was released in 2014. If no more Java work happened, that'd be unfortunate, but realistically we'd all be fine.
jimnotgym 3 hours ago||||
For the OS stuff wouldn't a European distribution of Linux do. Worst case if Europe could no longer get access to patches it could fork it. OK Europe might get behind, but that doesn't seem like an immediate issue, in the same way that not having AWS would be?

On programming languages it is a concern how popular .net and Java are in Europe. However being stuck on the current state of Python is less of a worry. I feel like I was always 10 years behind on needing new features.

jimnotgym 3 hours ago||
Edit: I concede my .net concerns do pull through to Linux. If you were selling Linux solutions to Government or big business, I fear Redhat might be chosen before Suse and Ubuntu
direwolf20 3 hours ago|||
The EU is asking for information on how to support open source, as they currently do through NLNET. It seems to prefer decentralised open source to the hyper-capitalism we got from American tech. Both have their downsides, of course.
badsectoracula 2 hours ago|||
FWIW Free Pascal and Lazarus communities and developers are largely European and there isn't a single company behind them. Though at the same time there are also several devs from outside EU so i do not think it can be called a "EU alternative" - which is the case for most FLOSS projects actually.

Some projects, especially high profile ones, do have US companies behind them (e.g. Google, etc) so you could claim they are US-centric, but at this point it becomes a question of why you are looking for an EU alternative. If it is to help EU businesses (like others mentioned), then unless you financially support these US companies (either directly or indirectly via, e.g., your data) it doesn't matter if the FLOSS project you are using is made by them or not.

pjmlp 2 hours ago||
For the same reason people on the wrong countries aren't allowed to contribute to US projects.

The way things are going it becomes a national security issue where those PR are coming from.

badsectoracula 1 hour ago||
So, to be clear, your reasons for looking for EU alternatives (i.e. that "same reason" you refer to) is that some countries are not allowed to contribute to US projects?
pjmlp 1 hour ago||
Yes, as it stands we should remove our independence on US, given current geopolitics, when technology can be weaponised.
BenoitEssiambre 3 hours ago|||
For consumers, these computers look interesting: https://starlabs.systems/
qznc 3 hours ago||
I recently discovered these: https://www.schenker-tech.de/en/
gtirloni 4 hours ago|||
They accept suggestions - https://european-alternatives.eu/register
pjmlp 4 hours ago||
Thanks
dismalaf 3 hours ago||
- OSes is easy, Suse and Ubuntu are European. As well as a bunch of smaller ones.

Programming language toolchains? You must be very NPM-brained, stuff like C and C++ is generally quite decentralized with OSes taking care of packaging. There's also plenty of languages that originated in Europe.

Hardware vendors? There's a few. Most hardware vendors in general are Asian though.

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