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Posted by CharlesW 3 hours ago

Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee(arstechnica.com)
215 points | 198 commentspage 2
tra3 2 hours ago|
I would gladly pay $99/month if this was honest FSD. I started tracking my time consistently since end of December and in the past 2 weeks I spend 23 hours driving. That's already only $4/hour.

I haven't been keeping up with the progress in this space. Last I heard, Benz introduced some sort of self driving feature AND accepted full liability for it (whereas Tesla does not). How does Benz's self driving compare to Teslas?

finolex1 2 hours ago||
Mercedes' feature has been sunset. It only ever worked in good weather on a limited set of motorways, below a certain speed, and with a guide vehicle in front of it l.

https://www.electrive.com/2026/01/12/mercedes-pauses-level-3...

drak0n1c 1 hour ago|||
There are unsupervised HW4 Tesla robotaxis in Austin open to public use as of yesterday. Lemonade Insurance announced an FSD plan where the price is half the market rate while using FSD. So unless there are specific regulatory barriers for personal vehicles unsupervised should be available for their latest gen personal cars sometime this year.
tirant 1 hour ago|||
That’s basically what SAE L3 and above levels of autonomy mean. The manufacturer takes full responsibility of the driving while the function is active.

I drove Mercedes and BMW L3 offering. Both had a really restricted ODD (Operational Design Domain) for it to be of much use outside high traffic situations on an Autobahn. It was restricted to good weather and speeds of around 60km/h. Basic all conditions under which their set of sensors and CPUs would work optimally.

But that was 2021 technology. L4 level of autonomy will be in the market during the next 4/5 years, no doubt. And that will be a game changer for anyone driving any significant amount of time. Sleeping, reading, watching a movie or just working on the laptop will be possible. And the manufacturer will take full responsibility of the driving while the functions are active.

AuryGlenz 2 hours ago|||
Benz's full self driving is only up to 40mph and only when it has a car to follow in front of you.
Nemi 2 hours ago|||
When you said this, lemming's all jumping off a cliff came to mind...
tirant 1 hour ago|||
And temperatures over 0 degrees Celsius with no rain. I tried it.
starik36 2 hours ago||
We've had FSD trial for 4 months in the middle of last year. I work from home so I can't really justify $100 a month. However, we did take a few trips (about 60 miles in each direction) to see family through downtown LA.

I was honestly stunned by how far the tech has come. It basically drove us door to door without a single intervention.

tra3 1 hour ago||
I talked to about 3 people about this that have personal experience with Tesla autopilot and that's been the feedback. So where's the gap? What's the problem?
dawnerd 3 hours ago||
He said the price will increase as it gets more capable. Funny though, they've lowered the price of FSD over the years...
rootusrootus 2 hours ago|
He lies so consistently, it continues to impress me how effectively he controls TSLA investors.
wscott 1 hour ago||
The funny part is that the Tesla doesn't have a basic dumb cruise control. It only has "traffic-aware" cruise control which uses the cameras and doesn't use the new FSD code so it has lots of glitches and phantom braking and decides for itself what speed to use. My wife just wants to set the speed and have the car go that speed.
coolspot 3 hours ago||
$99/mo is for FSD, not just lane keeping.

The article doesn’t explain what happens to simple lane leeping. Surely it should be free like in any other car (like my Volvo).

dawnerd 3 hours ago||
Lane keep is autopilot which is going away (for new cars). FSD doesn't have basic lane keep. The real question will be what happens to "legacy" cars with autopilot.
rootusrootus 2 hours ago|||
> The real question will be what happens to "legacy" cars with autopilot.

Tesla cannot take anything away that was on the Monroney sticker. This includes AP.

loourr 2 hours ago|||
Lane keeping is a default feature for free on all tesla's and this article doesn't say it's going away.
giobox 2 hours ago|||
Its being reported elsewhere that future new teslas will not have basic autopilot (the name Tesla use for the standard lane keep assist they offer) at all, the only way to get any form of lane keep assist will be to subscribe to FSD. The wording in the ars article linked here does a terrible job of explaining the change. Existing Teslas which already have basic Autopilot will still continue to have the feature.

New Teslas will now only have "Traffic Aware Cruise Control" as standard without lane assist, i.e. keeps pace with traffic and can stop/start, but user still has to provide steering input.

dawnerd 2 hours ago||||
It’s autopilot and yes on current models. New models will not get it. That’ll be FSD only.
johnneville 2 hours ago||||
I don't see this mentioned in the configurator for a new model 3 on the tesla site right now. Under "Driver Assistance" it describes "Traffic-aware cruise control" only. Under "Active Safety" it includes "Lane Departure Avoidance" which is separate from the "Autosteer" feature described under the "Autopilot" section. It's possible they will choose to fold autosteer into the lane departure avoidance but there's been no announcement of that. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_il/GUID-ADA05DF...
hermanzegerman 2 hours ago|||
It does

Under the new 2026 pricing structure, Autosteer has been removed. *New vehicles will now only ship with Traffic-Aware Cruise Control*. Buyers who want the vehicle to steer itself on highways must now pay for the software that was once standard.

https://electrek.co/2026/01/23/tesla-cuts-standard-autopilot...

thefourthchime 2 hours ago|||
Autopilot / FSD was a mess. Autopilot is very old tech and people confusing "self driving" with it, which it's not. We'll see how many pony up for FSD, but I think the play is to force people to try it.
hibikir 2 hours ago||
They handed people free trials before, which is using the carrot and not the stick. Around where I live, with HW3, the last trial made it clear that it was just not worth it at all, as there's key areas around my house where intervention was mandatory.
YY59487598347 2 hours ago||
Do BYD and other Chinese EVs have this insane subscription scheme for basic features on their cars, or is that only a feature of North American/European manufacturers?
palata 1 hour ago||
Once BYD is the most popular car, they will complain that it's probably because of the Chinese government manipulating the people. But the truth is that I would happily buy a BYD car knowing that it's a good product, with no goddamn subscriptions.
TacoCommander 2 hours ago|||
I am also curious about this, how does the average person in China feel about subscriptions?
loloquwowndueo 2 hours ago||
BYD is available in a lot of countries outside China.
SilverElfin 1 hour ago||
It looks to be completely free on most BYD models - as in no one time fee or subscription fee, but just part of the car:

https://insideevs.com/news/750244/byd-smart-driving-cheap/

nntwozz 1 hour ago||
I'm 41 and I've never been comfortable with even cruise control, when I drive I DRIVE.

I can't shake the feeling of trusting an already complex machine to yet another layer of complexity through software.

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The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.

— Scotty, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

nixass 1 hour ago||
Why would Tesla lock adaptive cruise control when others have it subscription free?
t1234s 2 hours ago||
FSD makes sense as a subscription as it's something that gets updated all of the time. Subscriptions to things built into the car like heated seats seems like a way to scam money out of people.
Someone1234 2 hours ago||
I agree; but Autopilot unlike FSD hasn't been updated in several years.

It doesn't contain maps or context of the roads, it is just Auto-Steer + Lane-Change + Full-Range Cruise Control under one brand-umbrella. Mostly useful on the Motorways/Freeways, and commonly found in competitor's vehicles.

t1234s 1 hour ago||
If you have the basic "Free" Autopilot was it possible to upgrade it in the app to Enhanced Autopilot to get the lane change feature?
Someone1234 1 hour ago||
It was at some points; I believed it was priced between $2K-4K depending on the point in time and either offered post-purchased or only during ordering, again, depending on which time-period.
palata 1 hour ago||
My Garmin receives updates and I don't have to pay a subscription for that. Hell I don't even need updates if it does what it should. Often the updates are there to fix bugs because the software was sold before being ready.
ArekDymalski 1 hour ago||
What will be the next step? ignition? wipers? opening passenger doors? charging for functionality that several manufacturers offer for past several years sounds like desperation to get any revenue.
palata 1 hour ago|
As long as people buy them, they have no reason not to do it. What I can't understand is why people buy those cars in the first place.
tehwebguy 1 hour ago|
$8,000 / $99 / month is 6 years 8 months.

How long do people keep their Tesla normally?

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