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Posted by CharlesW 4 hours ago

Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee(arstechnica.com)
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dotcoma 4 hours ago||
How much does braking cost ?
perfmode 3 hours ago||
$0.00000008 per Newton of deceleration force applied to the vehicle.

Pressing the brake pedal and maintaining a stationary position is billed at a rate of $0.003 per second of immobility.

Energy dissipation during the braking event costs an additional $0.00001 per Joule of heat generated.

ModernMech 4 hours ago||
Depends on your social credit score.
direwolf20 3 hours ago||
The American social credit score is just called credit score.
ArekDymalski 3 hours ago||
What will be the next step? ignition? wipers? opening passenger doors? charging for functionality that several manufacturers offer for past several years sounds like desperation to get any revenue.
palata 3 hours ago|
As long as people buy them, they have no reason not to do it. What I can't understand is why people buy those cars in the first place.
physhster 3 hours ago||
Is this an ad for comma.ai? Because it sure reads like one...
siliconc0w 4 hours ago||
Article is unclear but if this is saying you can't even get basic ADAS w/out $99/mo that is a pretty big deal, especially if it's applied to existing cars.

Basic stay-in-line and start/stop following in traffic has become pretty standard for almost a decade at this point and paywalling it now would be outrageous. I have a 2017 car that does this.

tokyobreakfast 4 hours ago|
Basic ADAS is government-mandated. Even shitbox Toyotas with traditional ignition keys have it for free.
rootusrootus 4 hours ago|||
Do you have a source for that? I'm not aware of any regulation requiring ADAS. Even automatic emergency breaking is not yet required for a few more years.
enragedcacti 4 hours ago||||
It is in the EU but in the US ADAS won't be mandated until 2029. It would tank your IIHS rating though and all major mfgs have met a voluntary pledge to have >95% light duty vehicles ship with autobraking by 2023: https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/automakers-fulfill-autobrak...
hermanzegerman 4 hours ago|||
Well Teslas now ship without the Lane Keeping. So the Toyota Shitbox has better ADAS (and surely also a better quality)
nixass 3 hours ago||
Why would Tesla lock adaptive cruise control when others have it subscription free?
tehwebguy 3 hours ago||
$8,000 / $99 / month is 6 years 8 months.

How long do people keep their Tesla normally?

seshagiric 4 hours ago|
It's a tradeoff, too early to say if it's a dumb move.

Side A: Tesla can grow FSD subscription revenue by making FSD + Autopilot completely based on subscription. Lot more people use Autopilot than FSD. In the happy path such users will pay the subscription and that revenue will increase.

Side B: Autopilot (aka lane keeping) is fast becoming default option across manufacturers. Tesla will take a dip in sales if such 'basic' option is no longer available.

Whether side A > side B is to be seen.

cosmicgadget 3 hours ago||
I'd prefer to evaluate it from the viewpoint of someone outside the Tesla c-suite.
lowbloodsugar 2 hours ago||
$22k Corolla has it.

Not paying $99/mo for it.

The issue is not that “FSD” is $99/mo. The issue is that a feature of $22k cars (lane keeping) is behind the $99/mo paywall.

Basically not enough people were buying the subscription for Elon to get his payout. But someone who just wants auto steering isn’t going to decide they’ll pay $99/mo for that. So this is just going to make people who like that feature not buy a new Tesla when the time comes.

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