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Posted by CharlesW 6 hours ago

Tesla kills Autopilot, locks lane-keeping behind $99/month fee(arstechnica.com)
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jackmarshl0w 5 hours ago|
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1970-01-01 5 hours ago||
$99!

Not worth it for anyone doing less than 100 miles/day.

t1234s 5 hours ago||
The basic autopilot is very useful. It would be nice if they offered it as a one-time fee when ordering your car.
stefan_ 6 hours ago||
Is the article confused or will there literally be no lane-keeping without the subscription? Because nowadays every car rental place bottom of the barrel Kia has lane-keeping.
cbsks 6 hours ago||
Tesla’s “autosteer” is significantly more advanced than the “lane keeping” feature I’ve seen in rental cars, or my own 2023 Jeep. My understanding is that autosteer will actively keep the car centered in the middle of the lane, while the “lane keeping” I’ve experienced will only adjust the steering when you approach the lane edge, which pin balls you back and forth like a drunk driver.
caconym_ 4 hours ago|||
Both my late model Japanese cars have two systems capable of steering the car toward the middle of the lane. One is an always-on (unless disabled) passive safety system that only kicks in when you actually appear to be drifting off the road, and the other is a system that actively tries to keep the car in the middle of the lane. The latter system has to be toggled on and off and is meant to be complementary with adaptive cruise.

What you're describing sounds like the former system, while the latter one is what should be compared to Tesla's "autopilot" or "FSD" or whatever the fuck. It works very well on both my cars and is a game changer for longer drives.

I consider good implementations of this and adaptive cruise to be basic equipment now, and asking $99/month for them is absolutely wild, especially since what you're getting isn't the "full self driving" we were promised. You still have to be fully engaged with what the car is doing and ready to take over in a fraction of a second.

tzs 1 hour ago||
> I consider good implementations of this and adaptive cruise to be basic equipment now, and asking $99/month for them is absolutely wild

The article doesn't mention it but other articles say that their version of adaptive cruise control (Traffic Aware Cruise Control or TACC) that was part of Autopilot is becoming a standard feature.

netsharc 5 hours ago||||
I have a 2020 Alfa Romeo (interestingly also a Stellantis car like your Jeep), it has "follow the lane" feature. For the edge of the lane, it can either vibrate as a warning or force you off it, I have it set to vibrate.
FireBeyond 5 hours ago||||
In mid tier and premium tier cars, lane keeping is generally either implicitly or explicitly lane centering. My Navigator calls it lane keeping but it is centering, and my Audi specifically calls out lane centering.
bigstrat2003 5 hours ago|||
That is not universally true. It's lane keeping in my wife's Volvo, and it sucks in exactly the way described up-thread.
jeffbee 5 hours ago|||
My experience with that brand specifically is they should call it "lane oscillating".
stefan_ 5 hours ago||||
I went with that example because I had a Kia Sportage from Hertz and it had lane centering (not just the thing that detects you are deviating from the lane). It did want you to touch the steering wheel but that's just cheaper driver monitoring.
sublinear 5 hours ago||||
Jeep and all the other Stellantis brands have the worst lane assist and worst tech options on the market, and the trim level on any rental is going to be as basic as they can get away with.
Applejinx 3 hours ago|||
That would make modern Subaru from I don't know how many years back, 'autosteer'. My Impreza does not behave in the least like 'pinballing', it behaves like it too can drive down the road, but wants to be holding your hand while doing it. This is on some pretty sketchy roads and road conditions, so it won't keep doing it unless it's identified at least one if not two lines on the road.

Seems like Subaru lane assist is considerably better than when it first came out in 2013 or so. I was able to experience it back then and it could have pinballed, certainly wasn't as steady and capable as it is more than ten years of development later.

loourr 6 hours ago||
it's click-bait, the lane keeping is free and is not going away
alistairSH 6 hours ago||
Do you have a source for that? I thought all of Tesla's "default" driver assistance was part of Autopilot, which is going away. I haven't seen any mention of decoupling various features from Autopilot (with some remaining free, just without the branding).
dmitrygr 6 hours ago||
This is similar to GM‘s Super Cruise, which is similar in functionality and also a monthly subscription.
rootusrootus 5 hours ago||
GM Super Cruise (and Ford's Blue Cruise) is hands-free, autosteer is not. Ford has an equivalent of autosteer available without a subscription, I would guess GM does too.
baggachipz 5 hours ago||
I'm glad I got rid of my Teslas, they are always doing their best to make the experience worse. Stage three of enshittification from them. I loved it back when it was stage 1.
mancerayder 3 hours ago|
What did you move to?

The speed is what I like, and the simplicity when I bought it. I hate 10,000 trim options with random prices like BMW and having to argue with a sales guy - just gimme the price!

ChrisArchitect 5 hours ago||
Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46618435
fortran77 5 hours ago||
The latest version of FSD is amazing. We have it on our Plaids (2024 and 2026 models) and I probably only actually "drive" 5% of the time. There's a camera to see if you're paying attention to the road, so no longer any need to keep your hands on the wheel. It'll start from a parking space and go all the way into my house and back into the garage.

Of course, I don't trust it as much as I trust Waymo's system, and I'm very careful when using it in rain or fog...

cosmicgadget 5 hours ago||
So you're saying people should just pay for the subscription? Seems like tangential FSD(S)-glazing here.
eldaisfish 5 hours ago||
Cameras wired into an internet connected car is the #1 reason why I will never buy a car like a Tesla.

Anecdotes like yours are often from the point of view of someone in California - sunny, clear weather most of the year. In monsoon rain, fog, snow, or unusual markings on the road, all these systems break down.

fortran77 4 hours ago||
> Cameras wired into an internet connected car is the #1 reason why I will never buy a car like a Tesla.

Well then, this isn't the car for you. For many other people the safety features are important. I wouldn't mind if every car had a camera that made sure the driver was paying attention and didn't fall asleep.

eldaisfish 4 hours ago||
That’s completely valid but the problem for me is the fact that you do not control the internet connection in these cars. A camera does not need an internet connection to monitor the driver.
gambiting 5 hours ago|
The real question is why buys Teslas now, given that their owner is a proven fascist showing nazi salutes on stage. Do you have to say "sieg heil" to start it too?
weirdmantis69 5 hours ago||
good little sheeple.
gambiting 4 hours ago||
The people who buy teslas without looking at anything about the person who runs the company behind them?
savagej 5 hours ago||
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