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Posted by validatori 1 day ago

Oneplus phone update introduces hardware anti-rollback(consumerrights.wiki)
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Aissen 14 hours ago|
This does not surprise me from the company that accidentally deleted the widevine L1 certificate on my phone (that never had any third party OS) during an update and could not restore it, nor would it replace the motherboard (for which it claimed it was the only possible fix).
Retr0id 1 day ago||
Blind speculation: I wonder if this is in some way related to DRM getting broken at a firmware level, leading to a choice being made between "users complain that they can't watch netflix" and "users complain that they can't install custom ROMs".
dcdc123 1 day ago|
It was because a method was discovered to bypass the lockout of stolen devices.
userbinator 1 day ago||
In other words the same old boogeyman they always use to justify this crap.
dcdc123 1 day ago||
From what I understand this does not prevent use of custom ROMs, it just means ROMs built before it was done will not work anymore. I assume they can re-package old versions to work with the new configuration, I am not entirely sure though. There are discussions elsewhere in this thread with more informed people.
userbinator 1 day ago||
it just means ROMs built before it was done will not work anymore.

From the article:

Any subsequent attempt to install older firmware results in a permanent "hard brick" - the device becomes unusable

This implies that not only does an older custom ROM not work, but neither does attempting to recover by installing a newer ROM.

dcdc123 3 hours ago||
Oh damn I missed that detail.
syntaxing 1 day ago||
OnePlus has pretty much become irrelevant since Carl Pei left the company. Its more or less just a rebranded Oppo nowadays. I'm not an android user anymore but I'm rooting for his new(ish) Nothing company. Hopefully it carries the torch for the old OnePlus feel.
Raed667 1 day ago||
As an early OnePlus user (1, 3, 5, 7, 13) i find myself unimpressed with what Nothing is proposing, feels more like a design exercise than a flagship killer
opan 1 day ago|||
They consistently have allowed bootloader unlocking without extra fuss and have had good LineageOS support. That is their main appeal, IMO. Nothing phones had no LineageOS support until recently (spacewar is now supported, unsure about other models), and it's not clear if there's enough of a community/following to keep putting LineageOS on them. I do not want any phone where I'm stuck with the stock ROM.
zozbot234 1 day ago||
Nothing phones also allow seamless bootloader unlocking, just like OnePlus. There's been some rumors that OnePlus might be about to exit the market altogether, if so Nothing will probably expand into their niche and beyond their current approach based on "unique" design.
gertrunde 19 hours ago|||
Yup - and worse than that too.

In the last week or two it's been rumoured that Oppo are pulling the plug on OnePlus, and are going to wind up the brand entirely. (Although it may cling on in certain markets, like India).

skeledrew 1 day ago||
I've been with OnePlus since the beginning, and am not at all impressed by the Nothing. Primary missing feature which I've come to depend on, off screen gestures, is missing. And the device just comes across as foreign in general; makes me think of the iPhone, which is not something I want to think of.
1a527dd5 1 day ago||
I look forward to the 1hr+ rant from Louis Rossmann.
poizan42 1 day ago|
He has already made the video on this, but it is only 3:23: https://youtu.be/3AiRB5mvEsk?si=XapAHhHRJtssDI4F
RugnirViking 1 day ago||
isnt this just like... vandalism? nothing could give them the right to do this, they're damaging others property indescriminately.
poizan42 1 day ago||
Does anyone know if it has been confirmed that this only applies to the "ColorOS" branded firmware versions? Because I currently have an update to OxygenOS 16.0.3.501 pending on my OnePlus 15, which is presumably built from the same codebase.

Edit: It seems that this does apply to OxygenOS too: https://xdaforums.com/t/critical-warning-coloros-16-0-3-501-...

abhaynayar 1 day ago||
Damn, I just saw that update yesterday on my phone and did not update it for no reason. Turned off auto-update right now until I figure out what to do.
WaitWaitWha 1 day ago||
Is this for just one or several OnePlus models?

If so, is this 'fuse' per-planned in the hardware? My understanding is cell phones take 12 to 24 months from design to market. so, initial deployment of the model where this OS can trigger the 'fuse' less one year is how far back the company decided to be ready to do this?

TomatoCo 1 day ago||
Lots of CPUs that have secure enclaves have a section of memory that can be written to only once. It's generally used for cryptographic keys, serials, etcetera. It's also frequently used like this.
Muromec 1 day ago|||
Fuses are there on all phones since 25+ years ago, on the real phone CPU side. With trusted boot and shit. Otherwise you could change IMEI left and right and it's a big no-no. What you interact with runs on the secondary CPU -- the fancy user interface with shiny buttons, but that firmware only starts if the main one lets it.
userbinator 1 day ago||
Otherwise you could change IMEI left and right and it's a big no-no.

You can still change the IMEI on many phones if you know how to.

happycube 1 day ago||
This is in the Qualcomm SOC chip, so it's not something that has to be designed into the phone per se.
MarkusWandel 1 day ago|
That's insane. If the CPU has enough fuses (which according to the wiki it does) why the h*ck can't they just make it impossible to reflash the >= minimum previously installed version of the OS after preventing the downgrade? Why the hard brick?
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