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Posted by siev 23 hours ago

Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only(restofworld.org)
382 points | 323 commentspage 2
nntwozz 23 hours ago|
If I were a betting man I'd wager that technological determinism wins in the end.
AndrewKemendo 22 hours ago|
Do you think they have a better shot than any other country with an explicit firewall (Eritrea, China, NK, Cuba etc…)
Symbiote 20 hours ago||
I don't think Cuba belongs on that list.

They have limited service because they can't afford anything better, and the USA prevents installing additional undersea cables, but only a small number of sites are blocked by Cuba itself, such as a few Spanish language news sites run by Cuban-Americans.

Many more sites are unavailable in Cuba because their USA owners refuse access to Cuba, but that's not Cuba's fault.

thrownaway0511 15 hours ago|||
They could've easily invested more of that oil money they leeched from Venezuela into infrastructure. They built 1 optic fiber cable over a decade a ago, why didn't they build more all this time? It's always the imperialists fault, isn't it?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALBA-1

fragmede 19 hours ago|||
The companies block access to Cube due to sanctions, which there because of Cuba's communist government, which is their fault.
C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 13 hours ago|||
I am more powerful than you, and I come to you with a request to act against your own interests in order to serve me. You refuse. The harsh consequences for refusing me that I am about to unleash against you are your fault. I am going to starve you for resources for decades, and any bad outcomes for your economy are your fault. You should not have refused me.
knowitnone3 7 hours ago||
so basic economics?
tryauuum 16 hours ago||||
You could've at least tried to put the blame on both parties in this scenario
xboxnolifes 8 hours ago|||
Somewhat of an aside, but its odd to me that "communist government" is considered both unworkably unsustainable while also must be sanctioned in order to be stopped.
dust42 19 hours ago||
Prepare to go back to newsgroups with NNTP / UUCP. With today's uSD cards that should create a pretty decent, offline store and forward national discussion platform. No programming needed, it's all there already, just forgotten...
amai 7 hours ago||
This doesn't help. The prophet has seen what they did to their own people.
littlecranky67 21 hours ago||
There must be so much video footage from smartphones during the demonstations that show gruesome killings and masacres, the iranian elites have to make sure this footage never sees the rest of the world. They have to ban the internet forever.
dominicrose 18 hours ago||
I don't want to believe that a government so incompetent, corrupt and cruel can continue to function. I don't trust that the rest of the world will help militarily although it's a strong possibility, but I do trust that they will continue to isolate the country. It's possible that the regime will implode simply because there is no honor among thieves.
fatherwavelet 15 hours ago||
Unfortunately, they are extremely competent at holding on to power. Inflation has been oscillating between 20% and 50% since 2019 yet here we are. It is hard to over throw the people who have all the guns.

I am usually pretty isolationist in my thinking but I really wish the US would have already invaded.

Millions of young Persians who are absolutely no different than you or I. It is now or never. If the regime can put down this uprising it is going to be hard to form another uprising for a long long time.

randomNumber7 18 hours ago|||
They likely try to find and remove a lot of these videos (and their owners) before turning on the internet.
littlecranky67 18 hours ago|||
From the phones, computers, usb sticks and SD cards of millions of people?
danparsonson 16 hours ago||
They certainly wouldn't be the first regime to violently suppress millions of its own people.
tsss 14 hours ago|||
They don't have to. In two weeks nobody will (pretend to) care anymore.
dist-epoch 19 hours ago||
Nah, just for a year or so, after they will say all the footage is "AI generated".
RandyOrion 11 hours ago||
Sadly, this already happens in China.

After many years of heavy censorship on 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, there are a lot of accounts on Chinese BBS who say all the footage "AI generated".

Departed7405 17 hours ago||
I really hope the next iPhone with Satellite connectivity not limited to SOS will help for that.

At the same time, I can see Apple caving to Iran governement - or China's - and restrict this feature to countries where it is legal.

9dev 17 hours ago||
Apple devices are pretty much unobtainable to most of the population of Iran due to a variety of reasons
morajabi 17 hours ago||
Untrue — there is a large market for Apple devices, iPhones are super popular in Iran. Fun fact, IRL stores use iMacs because it looks good but they install Windows on them to be able to use their legacy Windows accounting software :)
blahgeek 14 hours ago||
Fun fact - back in 2009, iPhone 3GS sold in China does not have WiFi feature. If that's possible, I can totally see a new iPhone model with restricted satellite feature selling in Iran and China.
amai 7 hours ago||
So Iran becomes a second North Korea...
nroets 14 hours ago||
Here's crazy idea: Instead of the US spending all this money on restraining the Iranian government through military build ups and sanctions, rather drop hundreds of thousands of Starlink kits by drones.

Firstly the protesters will be able to communicate in private.

And secondly, Iranians will continue to be reminded of the freedoms most other Muslims enjoy: As in free speech and free trade.

One of the reasons the Berlin wall fell was that East Europeans saw on TV that how prosperous Western Europe became.

stratocumulus0 14 hours ago||
One major difference is that it was extremely difficult to leave Eastern Europe. Borders with the West were fortified and even in the unlikely event of getting a visa issued, the government would make sure that your loved ones were left behind, forcing you to eventually come back.

The citizens of Iran, in turn, are free to leave the country as they wish. In fact, the official policy is that if you don't like it here, then you are are supposed to move out.

fma 14 hours ago|||
What good is the free Internet when the government can use it push false narratives and obvious lies and the people just believe it (talking about America in this case).
exDM69 14 hours ago|||
Starlink was also blocked by radio frequency interference.

Granted that can't possibly cover the entire area of the country.

scyzoryk_xyz 13 hours ago||
What? No. There are countless reasons why the wall fell but TV wasn't one of them. East Europeans didn't 'see' anything 'on TV' that would suggest anything other than what was endorsed by local authorities.

Trade was a big factor though. As the collective quality of life in the East was deteriorating, efforts were made by authorities to save the dire situation by opening trade and some degree of freedom of movement with the West. As this plan failed economically, a side effect was that it only became common knowledge across society how big the gap in quality of life really was.

The idea that free internet access will magically change the situation for Iranians on it's own is naive.

gambutin 22 hours ago||
I’m curious if it’s possible to somehow retrieve the whitelist to see who’s on it?
4gotunameagain 20 hours ago|
Mossad is curious as well. They might want to indiscriminately make people's devices blow up in public again.
derektank 19 hours ago|||
There are a lot of words one could use to describe the Israeli pager attack on Hezbollah, but indiscriminate isn’t one that leaps to mind, particular when compared against other contemporary military strikes
4gotunameagain 16 hours ago||
Comparing the lack of humanity of military strikes surely is a slippery slope.

Let me remind you that many civilians died, including two children. Don't take my word for it:

The following quote can be attributed to Lama Fakih, Middle East and North Africa Director at Human Rights Watch:

    “Customary international humanitarian law prohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully indiscriminate, using a means of attack that could not be directed at a specific military target and as a result would strike military targets and civilians without distinction. A prompt and impartial investigation into the attacks should be urgently conducted.”   
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/09/18/lebanon-exploding-pagers...
derektank 7 hours ago||
The affected equipment was C2 infrastructure and distributed by Hezbollah itself to its members for use in conducting military operations. Again, if you’re familiar with the use of military force today or really any military history since the invention of artillery, a handful of civilian deaths from an attack on several thousand combatants, while always tragic, does not represent an indiscriminate use of force.
FridayoLeary 14 hours ago|||
lol
aquir 19 hours ago||
This should not be possible in 2026...
dist-epoch 19 hours ago|
This will be entirely possible in 2027 when AI will be able to individually profile each connection for "disident" risk.
ZoomZoomZoom 17 hours ago||
I've seen unconfirmed reports of strange blocking patterns in Russian Federation that suggest individual profiling has at the very least been tested already. No need to wait a year.
inlined 21 hours ago|
If the weak link is GPS, could they not accept an override for the time and spherical coordinates to connect?
m4rtink 17 hours ago|
It should be possible to switch the terminal to use the satellites themselves for positioning (Starlink positioning) but it needs manually switching to that option.
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