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Posted by AareyBaba 12 hours ago

France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US(apnews.com)
818 points | 448 commentspage 5
mikelpr 6 hours ago|
wonder why they didn't use jitsi
lencastre 11 hours ago||
it’s gotta be too good to be true, but at least one major economy taking the lead, imagine
Fairburn 9 hours ago||
How refreshing.
teffy512 8 hours ago||
RIP: Zoom Public Sector AE, EMEA
awesome_dude 8 hours ago||
This was always going to happen as soon as the USA decided to be overtly all about itself.

Tact and diplomacy meant that previously the USA was seen as, yes being all about itself, but not threateningly so when it came to its allies/friends. As soon as that veneer was removed the reaction was always going to be, "we'll look after ourselves then" - using the same tools China has (see: China having its own linux distribution)

stopbulying 11 hours ago||
Are those US software firms still obligated to comply with EU restrictions and legal demands if they are banned/barred/fascisticly_denied_the_option_to_compete by one or more EU territories?
stopbulying 11 hours ago||
Isn't it reasonable to block access to countries that deny you the option to compete and copy your business?

Then you'll need to pay for a VPN.

stopbulying 11 hours ago||
Should US businesses block all connections from countries which deny them the option to compete?

Does it matter whether a competitor in such a country is copying their business while they are denied the option to compete?

pessimizer 8 hours ago||
Just like Europeans, you need to understand international law. It's not law like law within a country. It's a warning. US software firms were never obligated to comply with anything. If you don't comply, you create an enemy. You comply based on your judgement of that enemies' ability, determination and level of creativity that they will use to punish you for noncompliance.

Do you want to do any business at all there? Do you have any vendors there? Do your owners own anything else that does business there? Do you have any investors that live there? Do your kids go to college there? Do you have to fly over or through it, ever?

It's leverage against leverage.

nemo44x 8 hours ago||
Cool. It won’t even be a blip on the earnings report. I guess a sales rep in Europe isn’t getting their preferred vacation this year. But other than that this is of no consequence.

I’ll still buy France’s wine.

kkfx 10 hours ago||
EU governments don't want to learn one thing: you don't replace one dictator with another. The specific case says little, France has been developing "La Suite" for YEARS, Italy had experimented with Jitsi Meet and Big Blue Button at GARR during the COVID era, but what the EU wants is to create EU GAFAMs, whereas what we need, and not just in the EU, is FLOSS, self-hosting, desktop computing. This, however, is not welcome, starting with eIDAS 2.0 which pushes for a "super-sovereign" app-wallet for the notoriously sovereign Android and iOS instead of smart cards and USB readers that we've had for years and that various countries have used for years to log into online banking and, more recently, to sign documents.

The substantial point is that they don't want freedom, they only want to steal like others steal, to do business like others do business, instead of doing something different.

FpUser 11 hours ago||
Long time overdue. It is so stupid to rely on a single country in so many areas
ChrisArchitect 11 hours ago|
[dupe] Discussion from a week ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46767668
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