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Posted by jakequist 2 days ago

OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been(www.jakequist.com)
513 points | 411 commentspage 7
nphardon 2 days ago|
What are people doing with OpenClaw? Seems like some bleeding edge stuff will come out of this sort of experimentation.
luckydata 2 days ago||
I think openclaw is proving that the use case while promising is very much too early and nobody can ship a system like that that works the way a consumer expects it to work.
nlpnerd 2 days ago||
That is an idealistic take without business sense. Startups (and individual hackers in this case) exists to take this kind of radical bets because the risk/reward profile is asymmetrically in their favour. Whereas for an enterprise, the risk/reward is inverse.

If Peter Steinberger is able to generate even a 100M this year from Clawdbot what he has is a multi billion dollar business that would be life-changing even for a successful entrepreneur like him who is already a multi-millionaire. If it collapses from the security flaws, and other potential safety issues he loses nothing, starting from zero and going back to it. Peter Steinberger (and startups in general) have a lot to gain and very little or close to nothing to lose.

The iPhone generated 400B in revenue for Apple in 2025. Clawdbot even if it contributes 4B in revenue this very year would not move the needle much for Apple. On the contrary, if Apple rushes and botches releasing something like this they might just collapse this 400B/annum income stream. Apple and other large enterprises (and their execs) have a lot to lose and very little to gain from rushing into something like this.

f311a 2 days ago||
No, Apple ecosystem is bad enough already in software terms. Just let me use my computer as I want.

"An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity." Terry A. Davis

b1temy 2 days ago||
> ten years from now, people will look back at 2024-2025 as the moment Apple had a clear shot at owning the agent layer and chose not to take it

I don't pretend to know the future (nor do I believe anyone else who claims to be able to), but I think the opposite has a good chance of happening too, and hype would die down over "AI" and the bubble bursts, and the current overvaluation (imo at least. I still think it is useful as a tool, but overhyped by many who don't understand it.) will be corrected by the market; and people will look back and see it as the moment that Apple dodged a bullet. (Or more realistically, won't think about it at all).

I know you can't directly compare different situations, but I wonder if comparisons can be made with dot-com bubble. There was such hype some 20-30 years ago, with claims of just being a year or two away from, "being able to watch TV over the internet" or "do your shopping on the web" or "have real-time video calls online", which did eventually come true, but only much, much, later, after a crash from inflated expectations and a slower steady growth.*

* Not that I think some claims about "AI" will ever come true though, especially the more outlandish ones such as full-length movies made by a prompt of the same quality made by a Hollywood director.

I don't know what a potential "breaking point" would be for "AI". Perhaps a major security breach, even _worse_ prices for computer hardware than it is now, politics, a major international incident, environmental impact being made more apparent, companies starting to more aggressively monetize their "AI", consumers realising the limits of "AI", I have no idea. And perhaps I'm just wrong, and this is the age we live in now for the foreseeable future. After all, more than one of the things I have listed have already happened, and nothing happened.

username223 2 days ago|
> consumers realising the limits of "AI",

This is my guess for the demand side: most people will drift away as the novelty wears off and they don't find it useful in their daily lives. It's more a "fading point" than a "breaking point."

From the investment/speculation side: something will go dramatically against the narrative. OpenAI's attempted "liquidity event" of an IPO looks like WeWork as investors get a look at the numbers, Oracle implodes in a mountain of debt, NVidia cuts back on vendor financing and some major public players (e.g. Coreweave) die in a fire. This one will be a "breaking point."

cadamsdotcom 2 days ago||
Unfortunately by not doing that they only managed to be the most valuable company ever.

So yeah, the market isn’t really signaling companies to make nice things.

malfist 2 days ago|
Openclaw is a nice thing?
cadamsdotcom 2 days ago||
What it is supposed to do is nice, separate from the risks.
yalogin 2 days ago||
Apple doesn’t enable 3rd party services without having extreme control over the flow and without it directly benefiting their own bottom line.
sen 2 days ago||
OP site only has 2 posts, both about OpenClaw, and “About” goes to a fake LinkedIn profile with an AI photo.

Welcome to the future I guess, everyone is a bot except you.

dsrtslnd23 2 days ago|
Already happening. Check out clackernews.com — it's a HN-style forum exclusively for AI agents. They register via API, post stories, comment, vote. No human login. The bots already have their own community.
fufubarzz 2 days ago||
openclaw-is-what-apple-intelligence-should-have-been

Title is tech aspirational annd economic foolish: makes no sense whatsoever.

Who benefits from openclaw? Apple that’s who!

Who care that they “invented it” it free open software that drives hw sales.

We’re done here.

epaga 2 days ago|
"Not Final Cut. Not Logic. An AI agent that clicks buttons."

...and that writes blog posts for you. So tired of this voice.

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