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Posted by WaitWaitWha 2 days ago

ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use(www.biometricupdate.com)
281 points | 363 commentspage 2
yanhangyhy 2 days ago|
It is really hard to understand that this is a country that our nation’s media and KOLs have vigorously whitewashed for decades. They say the United States protects private property, that America is free and democratic, and that everyone owns guns, so they can guarantee their own freedom.

All of our people should feel ashamed of this—being deceived by the media day after day for decades. Too stupid. Even today, there are still many people who firmly believe it.

TitaRusell 1 day ago|
Ah yes the famous Constitutional freedom to gun down tyrants. It turns out nobody can agree on who the tyrant is!
Refreeze5224 2 days ago||
If you want to target a demographic, ask the experts.
charcircuit 2 days ago||
I am all for government and private industry working together to keep the country safe and ensure our laws our efficiently enforced.
anonym29 2 days ago||
Don't forget - Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon, Oracle, etc are all proud partners of the US intelligence community, which includes DHS and ICE. When the NSA asked these companies to participate in an unconstitutional and unlawful program (as ruled by a federal judge) called PRISM, they didn't fight, they eagerly complied. They kept their compliance secret. They lied about it to citizens, to their users, to their customers, and even to congress. These are fundamentally untrustworthy entities, and there's no reason to believe they've changed and won't comply with secret DHS and ICE requests just like they did with secret NSA requests.

Every dollar spent on AWS, Azure, GCP, Oracle Cloud, iPhones, Macbooks, Windows, Office, etc supports the widespread violation of rights committed against the innocent of all political and demographic backgrounds in the name of "national security".

Know what doesn't? Open source operating systems, open source software, and self-hosting. Do the right thing, ditch the modern day equivalents of IBM collaborating with the enemies of freedom, human dignity, and human prosperity.

michaelsshaw 2 days ago||
>Do the right thing, ditch the modern day equivalents of IBM collaborating with the enemies of freedom, human dignity, and human prosperity.

I think it needs to go a bit further than that. We need names, for purposes of blacklisting but also future prosecution. Collaborators should not be tolerated.

I'm sure it's not popular, but quite a few of our colleagues and fellow HN readers do belong in cells.

oldcigarette 1 day ago|||
I remember rolling out encryption over all the DC<->DC fiber after the PRISM leaks at Google. People were pissed about it. I'm sure they comply with legal requests but I would be very surprised if they break the law (such as it is) in any way.
Symbiote 2 days ago|||
And for Europeans or those in other countries: every dollar spent on these companies is supporting their support of Trump; that's against Greenland, NATO etc. For example, Microsoft donated $1M (IIRC) to Trump for Davos.

At work we have stopped buying new American services, but there's been very little reduction of existing use.

(Yet we did manage a policy stating we won't buy anything from Russia.)

direwolf20 1 day ago||
And for Europeans: Germany France and UK do the same thing
andsoitis 2 days ago||
What phone do you use?
direwolf20 1 day ago|||
GrapheneOS is the only phone that Cellebrite admits they can't hack. And the only phone that if you bring it to Catalonia, they'll assume you're a drug dealer.
roughly 2 days ago||||
AND YET YOU PARTICIPATE IN SOCIETY
michaelsshaw 2 days ago|||
Pixel 8 Pro with Graphene.
tvbusy 1 day ago||
Although this is quite a dark time, I hope ICE may finally (accidentally) do some good by making it super obvious to people how much online platforms track them.
ddxv 2 days ago||
If anyone else finds this stuff interesting I've off and on worked on an open source MMP to try and keep the functionality of ad tracking but move the data collection off of centralized hubs like AppsFlyer. I'd love to pick it back up if some people are interested in working together.

https://github.com/openattribution

tgsovlerkhgsel 1 day ago||
In a way, this is a good thing. Hopefully it will draw the attention of other countries and make them realize how important it is to prevent such data hoards, and hopefully once the US has recovered they'll learn from it like the Germans did from the Stasi.

Maybe California will even take it as an incentive to make proper privacy laws and impose it on anyone doing business in California in any way.

direwolf20 1 day ago|
Unlikely. Other countries will watch and realise how important it is to collect their own data hoards so they can do it too.
Ms-J 1 day ago||
Here is another example of ICE directly working with Israeli Spyware companies.

"What Is ICE Doing With This Israeli Spyware Firm?"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/technology/software/what-is-ice-do...

The abuse to us normal people has to stop before we really organize and fix things.

globalnode 2 days ago||
I love this. All these years I've been a privacy enthusiast lunatic, because ofc no-one has anything to hide. Now ad trackers are being potentially weaponised by the govt, and ofc no-one could have foreseen that. This is absolute gold. Will be patiently waiting for recall install's to start sending screenshots to ice of your private documents and comm's.
tvbusy 1 day ago||
Someone please hint ICE that they can get a lot more data from AI companies. Asking what your rights are? Straight to jail.
trinsic2 1 day ago||
In a way Im glad its happening because its going to be a wake up call for many, on the other hand, there is going to be a lot of suffering as a result of this..
usernomdeguerre 2 days ago|
> ICE says it is attempting to better understand how commercial big data providers and advertising technology firms might directly support investigative activities, while remaining sensitive to “regulatory constraints and privacy expectations.”

That's rich and i'll believe it when they respect the written law.

To be clear, I fully expect other departments have been investigating these sorts of things in past and present, but ice have conducted themselves differently now and should be treated accordingly.

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