Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

Posted by erickhill 1 day ago

Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues(noheger.at)

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urbandw311er 1 day ago|

You have to wonder what’s actually going on under the hood when the curve of the hitbox is different to the curve of the window? I’m very curious to understand how Apple have got to this point.

sho_hn 1 day ago|

This is relatively common. The mouse interaction code doesn't necessarily look at the visual asset, and in many UI toolkits the ability to have interaction targets located and sized differently from visual features is a feature.

johnhamlin 21 hours ago||

Makes my recent decision to ditch osx for Linux with a tiling wm seem all the more fitting

zeppelin101 6 hours ago|

MacOS has a few decent tiling WMs, too.

chrisandchris 20 hours ago||

So I was thinking 26.3 will be me "my" version of Tahoe. But I'll just leave Tahoe out completly.

lylo 18 hours ago|

Absolutely. Hoping 27 winds all of this back but maybe we’re waiting until 28, or 29… or maybe this is just how it is forever now.

Lucasoato 1 day ago||

Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave.

dham 1 day ago||

Mac has always had horrible window management. Made worse because applications and windows are a separate concept. Used to seem clever but in the world of multiple workspaces it's a terrible decision. Now it's even worse trying to manage multiple llms and projects.

duped 6 hours ago|||

There's a generation of developers who seem to have forgotten an application can open multiple windows

firen777 23 hours ago|||

> because applications and windows are a separate concept

Is this the reason why "closed" applications still show up in cmd+tab?

dham 13 hours ago|||

Yes, but it's much worse than that because it makes multiple workspaces essentially unusable. Try them on Windows or any Linux desktop. When a window is also an application it makes handling them much more seemless. Not to mention the animation on Macos (slide or fade) takes multiple seconds, then when it completes it takes 500ms to actually focus. That's if it actually focuses to the right window when switching, which is currently a bug. Been there for years.

asdff 23 hours ago|||

Yeah the application is still loaded in ram.

Nextgrid 1 day ago|||

Attach a generator to him and the AI datacenter energy needs are solved. Even better, the more trash that AI produces the more energy is generated.

GaryBluto 1 day ago||

> Even better, the more trash like this that AI produces the more energy is generated.

Do you have any "inside knowledge" that this was caused by LLM use or do you just attribute everything you don't like to AI?

Nextgrid 1 day ago||

Edited. I'm not strictly saying this was caused by AI, but more of a general point that AI is really good at producing crap work which would make the generator spin faster.

pbalau 16 hours ago||

This reminds me of The Paperclip Game: https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html

BoingBoomTschak 11 hours ago||

Maybe the coffin's interior having very round corners would help?

imprisonedmind 16 hours ago||

This is a perfect example of why I use raycast & their window management shortcuts: alm - Almost Maximise window tf - Toggle Full-screen lh - Left Half rh - Right Half

https://www.raycast.com/core-features/window-management

w4rh4wk5 17 hours ago||

So, there's still no option to adjust the corner radius?

silverwind 7 hours ago|

Nope, hardcoded deep in the OS internals.

LastTrain 22 hours ago||

I don’t think the problem is resolvable to everyone’s satisfaction, which speaks to the poor decision to make the windows that shape in the first place.

latexr 17 hours ago||

I’m not sure who (outside of Apple, and perhaps even inside seeing as Alan Dye quit) is satisfied with the extreme round corners we have now. No one asked for that, and it doesn’t provide a single benefit.

eviks 21 hours ago|||

It's easily resolvable - you just need to allow custom forms, then every user can pick one of the 3 most popular forms or tweak them to his unique preferences. Of course, this should also be true for window shape so you can remove the rounded corners

xbar 22 hours ago||

No, it cannot. But it does not have to be a moment of horror when you realize you might have to resize a window.

j13n 19 hours ago||

You think this is bad? Try using Apple Music with a traditional mouse. You can’t even right click on half of the interface, dragging elements near to scrollable edges doesn’t trigger any scroll, and UI elements like the star on favourited songs just don’t show up. It’s marginally better on a trackpad.

sgt 18 hours ago|

Tried that now. I have a USB mouse. Can't say I noticed any issues? Scrolling works fine, star works fine... resizing is fine.

Using Music.app on 26.0.1

atkailash 10 hours ago||

This is why I swear by Rectangle. Lots of options for snapping them and keeping windows nice and organized.

janaagaard 17 hours ago|

> In total the thickness went down from 7 to 6 pixels, which is a 14% decrease, making it 14% more likely to miss it.

But also a 14% higher chance that you won't hit it by accident.

This is not a situation where bigger is simply better. If the thickness was 50 pixels, that would make it pretty much impossible to not resize the windows. I am one of those who believe that there are still people at Apple who care deeply about user interfaces. Given the amount of attention paid to the regions for resizing by dragging the corner, I actually assume that they also took a second look a dragging the edges, and concluded that 6 pixels was better than 7.

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