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Posted by Bender 9 hours ago

Tesla 'Robotaxi' adds 5 more crashes in Austin in a month – 4x worse than humans(electrek.co)
398 points | 223 commentspage 4
ggm 5 hours ago|
Given how minor these are, you think they'd get in front of the conspiracy by full disclosure.
pengaru 8 hours ago||
It's a fusion of jazz and funk!
bdangubic 5 hours ago||
at this point much bigger news story might be “robotaxi made it from point A to point B in a straight line on a vacant parking lot (supervised)”
Grimblewald 5 hours ago||
I spew elon hate every chance I get and I maintain I am being too kind on him.
hermitcrab 7 hours ago||
"Tesla remains the only ADS operator to systematically hide crash details from the public through NHTSA’s confidentiality provisions."

Given the way Musk has lied and lied about Tesla's autonomous driving capabilities, that can't be much of a surprise to anyone.

anonym29 7 hours ago||
This data seems very incomplete and potentially misleading.

>The new crashes include [...] a crash with a bus while the Tesla was stationary

Doesn't this imply that the bus driver hit the stationary Tesla, which would make the human bus driver at fault and the party responsible for causing the accident? Why should a human driver hitting a Tesla be counted against Tesla's safety record?

It's possible that the Tesla could've been stopped in a place where it shouldn't have, like in the middle of an intersection (like all the Waymos did during the SF power outage), but there aren't details being shared about each of these incidents by Electrek.

>The new crashes include [...] a collision with a heavy truck at 4 mph

The chart shows only that the Tesla was driving straight at 4mph when this happened, not whether the Tesla hit the truck or the truck hit the Tesla.

Again, it's entirely possible that the Tesla hit the truck, but why aren't these details being shared? This seems like important data to consider when evaluating the safety of autonomous systems - whether the autonomous system or human error was to blame for the accident.

I appreciate that Electrek at least gives a mention of this dynamic:

>Tesla fans and shareholders hold on to the thought that the company’s robotaxis are not responsible for some of these crashes, which is true, even though that’s much harder to determine with Tesla redacting the crash narrative on all crashes, but the problem is that even Tesla’s own benchmark shows humans have fewer crashes.

Aren't these crash details / "crash narrative" a matter of public record and investigations? By e.g. either NHTSA, or by local law enforcement? If not, shouldn't it be? Why should we, as a society, rely on the automaker as the sole source of information about what caused accidents with experimental new driverless vehicles? That seems like a poor public policy choice.

ModernMech 6 hours ago||
Honestly I thought everyone was clear how this was going to go after the initial decapitation from 2016, but it seems like everyone's gonna allow these science experiments to keep causing damage until someone actually regulates them with teeth.
outside1234 7 hours ago||
Just imagine how bad it is going to be when they take the human driver out of the car.

No idea how these things are being allowed on the road. Oh wait, yes I do. $$$$

dayyan 6 hours ago||
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