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Posted by susam 14 hours ago

Attention Media ≠ Social Networks(susam.net)
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dhruv3006 13 hours ago|
Any other platforms like Mastodon which are doing things well - are you guys on lemmy?
PaulKeeble 12 hours ago|
Lemmy is mostly a clone of reddit with a lot less people on it. That is to say it works fairly well and doesn't yet seem filled with bots, but its got the same issues as Reddit since its based on the same design.
dhruv3006 12 hours ago||
What were the main issues of reddit according to you?
Dystakruul 7 hours ago|||
I think one of the main flaws of Reddit is that upvotes that happen on a user's front page and upvotes that come from 'within' the subreddit are treated equal (at least as far as I know).

It degrades the "does this post fit the subreddit's theme/topic?"-signal and makes the average user work against the moderation team rather than supporting them.

This was exacerbated when they started showing posts from subreddits that the user is not even subscribed to on the front page rather than just ranking posts of subscribed subreddits.

AuthAuth 6 hours ago||
I've never heard this raised before but its an interesting idea. Lemmy/Piefed are pretty open to features and changes. At the moment this wouldnt be a good idea because a lot of communities are to small to be browsing specifically but as the platform grows I can see this being a really good change to the algorithm .
bloggie 12 hours ago||||
The idea that community votes will result in the best content floating to the top is flawed, because what happens is the most popular content gets upvoted and not necessarily the most insightful or pertinent. This effect is magnified as the network or communities grow and welcome more a more general audience. The most prominent commentary is often useless jokes, memes, reactions etc. Slashdot, HN, lobsters have similar flaws with different strategies to overcome them.
dhruv3006 12 hours ago|||
Yep - true I do see things being easily gamed but then also lemmyverse does seem to be a personal favourite now - i hope things don't change down the line.
thaumasiotes 3 hours ago|||
StumbleUpon sent you to content that was thumbed up by people with a profile (of thumbing up) similar to yours.

It was a good idea, but it seems to have withered.

AdamN 12 hours ago|||
I'll answer - too many bots and most communities don't demand high quality comments. I still use it though - it's my only social network (although I don't think it's really a social network since I have no durable social connections with anybody there and I presume most other people don't either).
dhruv3006 12 hours ago||
Reddit does give a lot of value - despite the shortcomings.
bravoetch 10 hours ago||
My family has moved to group chats. It's great.
lizknope 8 hours ago|
Same here. My father is 1 of 8 children and my mom is 1 of 12 children. I have tons of aunts, uncles, 30 first cousins, and they have lots of kids that I know as well. It's lots of birthday pics, graduations, weddings, vacations, and especially when some of us get together.
cwoolfe 7 hours ago||
Substack has been a welcome alternative in this space as well. It reminds me of my experience on web blogs back in the 2000s. A real sense of community and substance.
pks016 7 hours ago||
I was active on FB, Insta, Goggle +, and Orkut during their early days. My brother and I were the first few people from our circle to have these social media account.

Looking back, the incentives have changed. Back then, there was some openness, rawness, and genuine curiosity about people and things. And of course, the signal-noise ratio was much higher.

Influencer culture ruined everything, consciously or subconsciously. I still use Insta for photography. But, it's a sinking ship. Insta could have made a different app for reels.

anonu 9 hours ago||
My mental model for all of this is that my attention is valuable. I can choose where to spend my attention and it should cost something to these platforms and their advertisers to command that attention. Unfortunately, these platforms have figured how to lower their cost by triggering lizard brain reflexes. The best solution is to simply remove any pathways they have to command that attention: uninstall apps and turn off all notifications. My attention is more under my control in this way.
benjiweber 13 hours ago||
This reminded me of this video from a more optimistic time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE
supriyo-biswas 12 hours ago|
Thank you for posting this. Despite being an old video, I had never come across it, and it almost made me tear up. It showed me the hope that I wished the web would be, despite it never realizing that ambition, with businesses that only pursued engagement metrics, and governments who saw value in vassalizing tech companies to pursue their political goals.
hinkley 6 hours ago||
But which social networks aren’t attention media these days, and will they remain thus after a few more investment rounds?
keepsmiling77 8 hours ago||
Modern large platforms are no longer social networks in the original sense, but media platforms optimized for attention. Real social networks are characterized by the fact that users themselves determine whose content they see.
ivanjermakov 11 hours ago||
I struggle to see anything "social" about social media. Looking at short videos of others and ads is anything but social activity.
vaylian 11 hours ago||
The problem is that people who don't know the history of the internet just call everything with user posts "social media". Web 2.0 has some overlap with social networks. But it is still a different concept. And social media is a meaningless term at this point.
edwin2 5 hours ago||
It’s handheld, portrait television
CalChris 4 hours ago|
Social Networks ⊆ Attention Media.
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