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Posted by Gooblebrai 4 hours ago

Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok(joinloops.org)
112 points | 71 comments
gempir 1 hour ago|
Good that they have a web version.

But the most basic functionality of going to the next video is only available via scroll (no keyboard arrow down?) and it has a really long animation and delay?

Just feels awful to use.

I feel if you wanna win in this space, especially with people who prefer more "free" platforms, then the non-app version should be a bigger priority IMO.

evolve2k 8 minutes ago||
Great to see this progressing. Tried it out just now after last testing it over 6 months ago.

I’d say the main “feature” id want to see added is a mandatory field on upload to tick if it’s AI content. Then a tag on videos that are Ai and at the account level to filter out AI content.

Otherwise it’s going to be a slops fest.

weezing 1 hour ago||
This form of content is bad regardless of platform.
CharlesW 1 hour ago||
The problem with TikTok isn't the form, which is effectively StumbleUpon for short-form video (or Dave Winer's "river of news" in video form, if you prefer).

There's brainrot content on all platforms, but there's also ArtTok, BookTok, CraftTok, EduTok, FoodTok, GardenTok, HistoryTok, MathTok, MusicTok, PoliTok, ScienceTok, TechTok, and lots more.

Zak 13 minutes ago|||
Here's a study showing an immediate negative impact on prospective memory from switching context repeatedly on short-form video platforms: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/10.1080/09658211.2025.252107...

Unlimited skipping until a video is sufficiently stimulating had a negative impact regardless of the content, while people limited to ten skips in ten minutes did not experience a negative impact. This suggests that the format itself has harmful cognitive effects.

wolvoleo 47 minutes ago||||
The problem I find with it is that it's such a monoculture. Everyone is copying everyone else.

As an example: there's this stupid skit going around. Someone asks a waiter "Could I ask you about the menu please?". The waiter comes really close and goes like "The men I please is none of your business".

It's an ok joke but I've seen literally 20 different people doing the same skit in the last two weeks and it gets so damn annoying. And it's not just this one. There's always one that is viral and everyone copies it.

kelipso 37 minutes ago|||
Yeah that’s what memeing is. What is this, 2000s internet and we start discovering what memes are or something.
saghm 23 minutes ago|||
Obviously meme formats from when I was younger (images and text) are fine, but meme formats that are newer (video and text) and brainrot. Or maybe it's just the same thing every generation does where they think the generations before them were hopelessly out of touch but the kids nowadays have no taste...
jatari 29 minutes ago||||
You can use youtube and never come across a "meme" like that.
wolvoleo 23 minutes ago|||
Memes were usually funny though. And just pictures so easily ignored if they weren't. I feel like this is just attention seeking.
panick21 17 minutes ago|||
Most memes and most application of memes were not that funny. Scrolling reddit 10 years ago is not that different from TikTok just with pictures instead of videos.
amarant 13 minutes ago||||
Weren't memes always just that? I think we're just old
girvo 14 minutes ago|||
Eh. They really weren't. "I'm firin' mah lazer" wasn't funny and yet for a while it was ubiquitous. I'd wager in fact that most memes weren't inherently funny: their purpose is in-group signalling for the most part.
bmlzootown 23 minutes ago|||
They've made it into an actual skit now? I remember when it was just a regular old meme.
Avicebron 1 hour ago||||
I'm pretty sure BookTok is just porn for women who really like the plot of 50 shades of grey..

edit: which is to say I'm not positive the format isn't the problem.

CharlesW 46 minutes ago|||
> I'm pretty sure BookTok is just porn for women…

Those aren't the kinds of book-related videos that I see, so at some point The Algorithm must've decided I wasn't interested in porn for women (not that there's anything wrong with that).

amelius 47 minutes ago|||
Is that also short form?
Avicebron 33 minutes ago||
How would I know? I don't use tiktok, this is second hand from an ex
ajam1507 55 minutes ago|||
Short form video is the brainrot.
runako 9 minutes ago|||
I'll come at it from another angle. Some of the most popular podcasts (and YouTubers) produce hours of long-form video (an acceptable format) daily. Without naming names, some of those convey less information in 2-3 hours of video than some short form creators do in 2-3 minutes.

The medium influences the message, but the channel still matters.

(And some messengers, especially public intellectuals, are not doing the long form video/audio at all. One prominent TikTok poster has a $$$$$ job as a public intellectual and outside of short form, the other options to consume his content involve $$$ subscriptions or $$$$ in-person events. I'll take his 5-minute videos over those alternatives.)

Separately, I am chuckling at people saying TikTok is "all X" or "nothing but Y" or "overrun with Z." Do people still not know that statements like these are confessions?

qotgalaxy 2 minutes ago||
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WD-42 57 minutes ago|||
This. If people are looking for freedom, the thing to do is to stop using TikTok or anything like it, not to make a federated version of it.
amelius 48 minutes ago||
A federated version could provide a path away from addictive and polarizing content, and endless viewing.
CharlesW 44 minutes ago||
Exactly, BlueSky demonstrates that it's not the form, but the engagement-at-any-cost feed algorithms without user-controllable knobs.
WD-42 27 minutes ago||
Bluesky proved no such thing. Merge bluesky with truth social and you’d be back to the same thing again. Both platforms are just full of people retreating into smaller bubbles, the underlying issues are still there just less common.
hnthrowaway0315 19 minutes ago|||
This. It is just mental drug.
cagenut 7 minutes ago||
so is love

this level of reductive thought termination goes nowhere

pizza 59 minutes ago||
Why?
flawn 22 minutes ago|||
https://jmarriott.substack.com/p/the-dawn-of-the-post-litera...

This is a great writeup on why short-form content is overall a net negative for us with a human brain.

sodapopcan 49 minutes ago|||
I feel justified turning this around on you and asking what is good about it? It's disposable media. In and out of brain in seconds. There are any number of better ways to waste time let alone ones that don't show you ads.
SpecialistK 41 minutes ago||
Better ways to waste time.

If I'm on the toilet not having a fun time, pardon me for wanting to see some cat videos instead of solving a Rubik's Cube, I guess?

sodapopcan 30 minutes ago||
You're pardoned, but I have much more fond memories of magazine baskets in bathrooms. Today you should at least have a Switch in there ;)

But also, of course people aren't just using these apps in the bathroom, they are using them everywhere. If they didn't exist, you wouldn't miss scrolling the bathroom.

SpecialistK 18 minutes ago||
The Economist app and Inoreader are higher on my front page than Instagram is, so I am being slightly tongue in cheek.

But I do maintain that there is a place for mindless time killing. Life is stressful, I'm constantly switching between different projects and responsibilities, and a few minutes of mindless scrolling is nice.

But it is very addicting and can very easily vacuum up many hours of time I can't get back.

ftchd 1 hour ago||
I want this to be succesful so much, but almost nothing works in the mobile app

Needed 2 tries to sign up, and uploading a video from the camera roll failed (5-7 tries)

nagaiaida 1 hour ago|
yeah, there's a consistent pattern of overpromising across this and other projects by the same person
throawayonthe 1 hour ago||
how good is the For You feed? the tiktok secret sauce is the creepy algorithm, who's clamoring for "crack but not addictive?"
binary132 8 minutes ago|
It sounds like you’re suggesting federated crack…
TensorToad 53 minutes ago||
This is actually pretty exciting. Excited to see how this turns out. But I am wondering how to keep it financially possible to operate the platform. Also, 95+% of the users probably don't care that much about censorship and privacy enough to switch platform.
dangoodmanUT 30 minutes ago||
I can appreciate the effort, but the UI is indistinguishable from tiktok.
slipheen 1 hour ago||
I didn't deep dive into this, but just for context and comparison, here are some other tools which are building TikTok like tools on Bluesky-

https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/01/here-are-the-apps-battling...

umairnadeem123 1 hour ago||
the format isn't inherently bad, it's the algorithm optimizing for engagement over everything else that's the problem. short video is actually great for tutorials, explanations, behind-the-scenes stuff. i make AI-generated video content and the short form works well for documentary-style clips where you're mixing stills with selective animation.

the real question is whether federation changes the incentive structure enough. if the recommendation algo is still optimized for watch time, you just get tiktok with extra steps. if instances can tune their own ranking, that's actually interesting.

Pulcinella 1 hour ago||
Counterpoint: The format is bad. The constant stream of videos, skipping between videos at (relatively) your own pace, the anticipation about the next video; it's similar to electronic gambling machines.
logicchains 1 hour ago|||
>electronic gambling machines.

Gambling is bad because it wastes people's money. Short-form videos just waste people's time, the same as the hours of television that older generations spend watching every day but with more diversified propaganda.

jonplackett 52 minutes ago|||
At least you have to go a casino for gambling. Short form video wastes your entire life away.
em-bee 56 minutes ago||||
"just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. people wasting time staring at screens is the prevalent problem of today. with TV it was not as bad because there was/is only one in a room so it becomes shared experience. phones are worse.
Pulcinella 55 minutes ago||||
Go a little further. Think about "how." How do slot machines get people to waste their money for hours-on-end? How does TikTok use short-form video to get people to scroll for hours-on-end? What is the mechanism?
Almondsetat 50 minutes ago|||
"just" waste people's time? their most valuable resource?
dangus 1 hour ago|||
To use the analogy of other vice industries like gambling or alcohol, would you rather buy those products from shady unregulated vendors or more transparent regulated entities?

That’s the type of analogy we might make in this case.

Obviously many people (literally billions) like this format and use it in relative moderation to unwind and kill time. Hell, I’ve even gotten productive helpful information out of the format on occasion.

It’s also taken a critical role in journalism and current events.

Unless you’re advocating prohibition, the cat is out of the bag.

Being able to find a short form video alternative that isn’t owned by commercial/government interests is a positive thing.

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qudat 19 minutes ago|||
There’s a reason why we don’t want to show kids fast pace videos with cuts that are less than 4s: it’s not good for the brain. The format is just not good for us
WD-42 48 minutes ago|||
Question: how many people do you think would watch your short form ai videos if they had to actually seek them out and choose to watch them? The reason why the format is problematic is because it feeds off the dopamine hit of scrolling to the next piece of unknown content.

It’s well known that if people need to be intentional about what they consume they consume far less. Something tells me 15 second AI videos aren’t at the top of most people’s lists.

nosrepa 1 hour ago|||
The less ai generated video I see the better.
folgoris 47 minutes ago|||
It's not just bad, it's the worst format that could exist, if radio and TV have already ruined the attention span this one seems to have the aim of doing just that by showing short content with almost no effort to understand it, a lot of context switching every 10-15 seconds and videos designed to attract as much attention as possible.
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shooly 1 hour ago||
> if the recommendation algo is still optimized for watch time

"people don't want to watch my AI slop, it's the algorithm's fault!!"

HelloUsername 1 hour ago|
Recently released on the Appstore https://blog.joinloops.org/loops-is-now-on-the-app-store/
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