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Posted by jjgreen 9 hours ago

Looks like it is happening(www.math.columbia.edu)
146 points | 101 commentspage 2
hhsuey 7 hours ago|
What's happening? I hate click bait titles like these.
card_zero 2 hours ago|
People used to spam out masses of low-quality scientific papers in a scattergun approach to gain fame and citations, and they still do, but now they do it more, because LLMs churn it out faster than students.
AvAn12 5 hours ago||
The shilling for AI continues. How much $$$ do the big tech companies pay Columbia? Oh yeah, and what exactly did Columbia agree to do to get the trmp admin to leave them alone? All speculation of course, but the circumstantial picture stinks.
tombert 8 hours ago||
I like AI, I use Codex and ChatGPT like most people are, but I have to say that I am pretty tired of low-effort crap taking over everything, particularly YouTube.

There have always been content mills, but there was still some cost with producing the low-effort "Top 10" or "Iceberg Examination" videos. Now I will turn on a video about any topic, watch it for three minutes, immediately get a kind of uncanny vibe, and then the AI voice will make a pronunciation mistake (e.g. confusing wind, like the weather effect or the winding of a spring), or the script starts getting redundant or repetitive in ways that are common with AI.

And I suspect these kinds of videos will become more common as time goes on. The cost to producing these videos is getting close to "free" meaning that it doesn't take much to make a profit on them, even if their views are relatively low per-video.

If AI has taught me anything, it's that there still is no substitute for effort. I'm sure AI is used in plenty of places where I don't notice it, because the people who used it still put in effort to make a good product. There are people who don't just make a prompt like "make me a fifteen minute video about Chris Chan" and "generate me a thumbnail with Chris Chan with the caption 'he's gone too far'", and instead will use AI as a tool to make something neat.

Genuine effort is hard, and rare, and these AI videos can give the facsimile of something that prior to 2023 was high effort. I hate it.

gtirloni 5 hours ago||
Who's spending money to write bots to comment on obscure (to me) websites and why?
evolighting 3 hours ago|
Bot comments are everywhere( no only obscure websites ). I suppose it's because someone just want to try them out and it is really affordable.
bitbytebane 8 hours ago||
STOP CITING YOUTUBERS AS A CREDIBLE SOURCE OF ANYTHING.
hmokiguess 8 hours ago|
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hmokiguess 8 hours ago||
I think this is solid proof that the bedrock of academia is deeply motivated by money and still defaults to optimizing where it impacts its bottom line. If professors can get more grants and more publications in less time with less spending, of course they are going to be doing that. This isn't just because of AI, but also because of how this system is designed in the first place.
mathisfun123 8 hours ago||
> I think this is solid proof that the bedrock of academia is deeply motivated by money and still defaults to optimizing where it impacts its bottom line.

no shit - could've asked literally anyone that's finished their phd to save yourself the conjecturing/hypothesizing about this fact.

Certhas 8 hours ago||
This is stupid. Nobody motivated by money is in academia. Academics are motivated by curiosity, but also prestige, vanity and the wish to hire students and collaborators. And on top of human vanity working it's magic, the ideology that everything should be a market and competition is the final form of social organisation, has pervaded academia just as much as everything else.

I agree that the system of publishing papers to gain prestige to gain resources to publish papers was already broken pre AI.

dang 7 hours ago|||
> This is stupid.

Can you please make your substantive points without swipes or calling names? This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Your comment would be fine without that first bit.

jasperry 8 hours ago||||
You're right that being a scientist is unlikely to result in personal wealth and so that's not the primary drive for those who seek faculty or research positions. However, it's not just curiosity, prestige and vanity either, because a big factor for promotion and tenure is how much grant money you bring in. That money is what keeps the university's lights on and buys the lab equipment and pays the grad students, so it's still money as a primary driver in the background.
tombert 8 hours ago||
My dad said he stopped being a professor because of that.

He liked the research, and he even liked teaching, but he absolutely hated having to constantly try and find grant money. He said he ended up seeing everyone as "potential funders" and less like "people" because his job kind of depended on it, and it ended up burning him out. He lasted four years and went into engineering.

I don't know that "motivation" is the right word for it, because I don't think professors like having to find grant money all the time. I think most people who get PhDs and try to go to academia do it for a genuine love for the subject, and they find the grant-searching to be a necessary evil part of the job; it's more "survival" than regular motivation, though I am admittedly splitting hairs here.

noslenwerdna 8 hours ago|||
just replace "money" with "prestige" and I think the above comment works just fine
sidrag22 9 hours ago||
Noise is going to be the coming years biggest issue for so many fields. A losing battle like arguing with a conspiracy minded relative, you can slowly and clearly address one conspiracy and disprove it, by the time you do, they are deep into 8 new ones.
NooneAtAll3 6 hours ago||
Clickbait title

what would be a better one?

guerrilla 8 hours ago||
Website's down. What was it about?
tempodox 5 hours ago|
Convenience dictates that we will be drowning in slop as long as convenience lets us rank academics by number of publications. Publish or perish?
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