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Posted by Garbage 9 hours ago

New iPad Air, powered by M4(www.apple.com)
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thewebguyd 5 hours ago|
The iPad Air is in such a weird spot.

Heavier than the Pro, 60Hz, but more Ram in the M4 Air than the M4 Pro? It makes no sense. Who is this for?

tempaccount5050 4 hours ago||
I can say they are used heavily in the construction industry for Autodesk Cloud to render drawings for field workers. Very resource intensive.
pjmlp 5 hours ago||
Ideally Apple would finally do their Surface/2-1 with iPads, but Apple being Apple, rather sell an overpowered tablet, and a Mac laptop to go alongside with it

Some places even do a bundle "discount".

thewebguyd 5 hours ago||
I don't think even Apple knows what they want to do with the iPad.

I could buy the "companion device" niche for a while until iPad OS 26 came along, which took away most of the "touch first" multi tasking and replaced it with a model that heavily favors mouse and keyboard use. I actually use my iPad less now since the update, because I still primarily used it as a tablet, I don't even own the magic keyboard/trackpad for it.

Now it's essentially a gimped macbook, and it's not really clear on where it fits in their product lineup. Is it supposed to be a laptop replacement? A companion device? An art tool? An expensive e-reader? No one, not even Apple, knows.

So yeah, they either need to come up with a clear vision for what it's supposed to be, or finally just let it be a 2-in-1 macbook with apple pencil support.

gyomu 1 hour ago||
I think they’re very happy to have the 2 parallel product lines; they might overlap a bit but who cares, business is about the numbers, not ideological purity of product lines.

The line they’ll probably never cross is that the Mac can run software in a (mostly) non sandboxed mode, with unrestricted background processes, which means it’ll always be the platform of choice for developers. Those extra restrictions on the iPad makes them more free to push it/experiment with it in the direction they wish (for better or worse, as we’ve seen with all the wonky windowing implementations, although the current one is mostly fine)

I love my iPad for drawing/photography, reading comics, and its extreme portability; I love my MacBook as a developer and as my main productivity machine.

BashiBazouk 4 hours ago||
I have a 6 with cracked glass and won't buy another one until 3rd party browsers can release without webkit. The net is an awful place without uBlock, which I am reminded about every time I try to surf with the ipad...
jhatax 1 hour ago||
I have uBlock Origin Lite for Safari [1] on all iOS and iPadOS devices in my household. No one complains about ads anymore.

1. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...

yard2010 2 hours ago|||
Your answer is Vivaldi, it has a built-in ad blocker that in my few years experience works exactly the same as ubo out of the box. If it wasn't for Vivaldi, I wouldn't buy an iPad because of what you described.
silentOpen 4 hours ago|||
DNS-based blocking is the way (possibly via conditional VPN if you can tolerate the minimal latency bump).
lucasverra 2 hours ago||
nextdns.io works fine on my iphone so ipad shall be fine
n8cpdx 3 hours ago|||
After having tried Firefox with UBO on Android, I can’t say I noticed any difference compared to Orion on iOS.
brycewray 4 hours ago|||
You might try wBlock:

https://github.com/0xCUB3/wBlock

potwinkle 4 hours ago|||
You can get Wipr 2 for iOS and (for me) it's been as good as uBO.
Jaxan 4 hours ago||
Doesn’t AdGuard work?
spectre3d 3 hours ago||
Yes, AdGuard works. That’s what I use, although I appreciate the other recommendations in the sibling comments above.
joezydeco 9 hours ago||
The word "value" appears four times in that press release. I sense a theme in the marketing this week.
harperlee 6 hours ago||
Also "upgraders" (11 times, meaning a kind of buyer), that's a new one for me in these introductions.
dylan604 8 hours ago|||
At least they are not using "affordability"
jajuuka 6 hours ago|||
Between the iPad Air and iPhone 17e it's definitely the "value" day. It will just be a ramp up to the MacBook Pro. Makes a good contrast and marketing scheme.
2OEH8eoCRo0 8 hours ago||
If they wanted to provide value they'd add MacOS to their tablets.
geerlingguy 8 hours ago||
Yeah, instead we'll have a slightly cheaper MacBook Air, I'm guessing, that still costs more than the perfectly adequate iPad.
css_apologist 8 hours ago||
This is an incredible piece of hardware, I just don't know what to do with it

how is music production on it these days?

silveira 5 hours ago||
I really like this setup:

iPad + Korg microKEY-37 + KORG Gadget 3 + all a bunch of KORG apps

No subscriptions. Keyboard is wireless but no noticeable latency. In my workflow I pretty much never need more keys but if I do I just use a MIDI adapter and plug a larger keyboard.

KORG apps go on 50% sale several times every year.

DamnInteresting 7 hours ago|||
GarageBand is fun, and capable of making surprisingly complex music. Logic Pro is also available on iPad now, but it's only available with a $15/month subscription, so I haven't tried it.

For artists, there are a lot of good tools: Procreate, Art Set 4, Adobe Fresco, Artrage, etc.

Archit3ch 6 hours ago|||
It runs PlugData, the plugin version of Pure Data! You can easily bring down the best iPad processor with the circuit~ object. ;)
css_apologist 5 hours ago||
i've been meaning to checkout pure data, this is cool thanks for sharing
piva00 7 hours ago|||
Still subpar, only real DAW available is Logic Pro, the audio stack behaves differently than macOS, no support for VSTs but has support for the AU format.

A friend who I make music together had an iPad that we tried to add to the setup, in the end after some months we chucked it aside and just got a MacBook for our shared studio instead.

mauflows 5 hours ago|||
I agree you won’t find a DAW as powerful, but some of the purpose built DAWs are so much fun. Loopy Pro you can build whatever interface you want via widgets.

And while VSTs don’t run, the AUv3s on the App Store tend to be much cheaper.

If for nothing else, I think it’s an excellent replacement for a guitar effects processor like Helix. Plus everything is backed up / restorable and you don’t have to suffer with a knob-based interface

css_apologist 7 hours ago|||
> no support for VSTs

yup, that kills it for me

baby 5 hours ago|||
Drawing on it is incredible, reading papers work well also but a folding phone is better.
dgxyz 8 hours ago||
I had the same problem with my M4 Pro. So I sold it.
pixelmonkey 2 hours ago||
If you were utterly confused, like I was, how the iPad Air M4 compares to the iPad Pro M5 and the iPad Pro M4, this 3-column comparison table from Apple's website might help:

https://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/?modelList=ipad-air-11-m4...

The quick summary:

- iPad Air has 2 stereo speakers, rather than 4 speakers as Pro models

- Touch ID in top button rather than FaceID as Pro models

- iPad Air is slightly heavier (???) than either Pro model

- screen of iPad Air is a bit less bright

- no nano-texture display option on iPad Air

- no true Thunderbolt connectivity through USB-C port on iPad Air

- all devices can use same Apple Pencil Pro...

- ... but the iPad Air takes a special Magic Keyboard (supposedly due to form factor)

- camera array is slightly different on iPad Air (no ProRes video)

manmal 8 hours ago||
Tangential, iPadOS 26 is absolutely unusable on iPad Minis. Who needs window management on an 8" screen?
crims0n 8 hours ago||
-you can turn it off globally in settings

-some people use it docked

-if it wasn't available, someone else would be complaining about that

manmal 40 minutes ago|||
Click targets on window controls are too small to ever make sense. Nobody needs this.
hbn 5 hours ago||||
The Apple of the past never thought twice about people complaining about the lack of them implementing something that would be bad UX because they were confident in their design prowess.
bigyabai 5 hours ago|||
> if it wasn't available, someone else would be complaining about that

Really? I genuinely know no one that uses Stage Manager.

layer8 7 hours ago||
As the sibling says you can turn it off, but even the non-windowed UI is still not well-adapted to the small form factor. Apple doesn’t put any work into it. One can hope that some improvements might carry over from the upcoming foldable iPhone, whose inner display will only be slightly smaller, but I’m not holding my breath.
easton 8 hours ago||
Memory increase to 12GB, guess they still have reasonable pricing.
jghn 8 hours ago||
At this scale, don't companies lock in their prices well in advance instead of paying spot prices?
mathis 7 hours ago|||
The base model has only 128GB of storage. IMO they are pushing uses to upgrade storage more aggressively than ever. This should make up somewhat for the increased cost of volatile and non-volatile memory.
functionmouse 8 hours ago||
Don't vendors as big as Apple lock in their prices and contracts years in advance?
wpm 8 hours ago||
Rumor has it that Samsung hit them with a 100% price increase on RAM and Apple took it without even trying to negotiate
bombcar 7 hours ago|||
If that rumor's true then Apple has a memory fab hidden somewhere that's going to be revealed soon.
lm28469 2 hours ago|||
They have like 40%+ margin on hardware, even when raw mem chips quadruple in price I doubt they lose more than a few single digit percent of margin and I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to take the hit to keep their pricing the same as they always are.

Keep in mind that before the whole memory price hike crisis they were already charging ~3x what the competition charged for ssd/ram upgrades

throwaway85825 7 hours ago|||
Apple is likely a large enough consumer to fully utilize a fab.
extraduder_ire 7 hours ago||||
Floating 100% price increase, or did they lock that number in as a ceiling for some period of time?
xd1936 8 hours ago|||
Bringing their profit margins down from ludicrous to just absurdly high.
sccxy 5 hours ago||
Can you connect it to USB-C/Thunderbolt monitor/dock and use it with keyboard and mouse?
jeroenhd 5 hours ago||
Has been for a while, assuming you can get work done on the iPad UI. It doesn't do a normal mouse and there are some limitations to things like screen dimensions.

Works in a pinch but Apple is not going to compete with themselves on this front, they're expecting you to buy a macbook for serious work and an iPad for work in a pinch.

ivanjermakov 4 hours ago|||
Had no problems connecting iPad Air 4 to external display via USB-C DP. Have not check whether periphery devices work this way though - I used BLE keyboard.
rllearneratwork 5 hours ago|||
yes. Has been possible since at least M1.

Buy M-based iPad, nice monitor, keyboard and mouse. Connect mouse and keyboard to monitor via USB. Then iPad via USB-C/Thunderbolt to monitor. Everything "just works" and you can handle surprisingly high amount of work this way

eagerpace 5 hours ago|||
Can you share more about this experience please? To me, you're still left with apps that are designed for a touchscreen and consumption.
konart 5 hours ago|||
If you are using an iPad as a second screen - you get the same app you have on your mac (obviously, iPad just acts as a second screen: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102597).

If you are using an external keyboard and a mouse with it - you will get the same touch UI, yes.

thinkling 5 hours ago|||
Many apps are missing many keyboard shortcuts that you may be used to if you’ve used the equivalent on the desktop. You’ll need to keep the iPad screen accessible to tap on UX elements. There’s also the issue that shortcuts that do exist may be hard to discover because there’s no menu bar to look in.
spectre3d 1 hour ago||
Hold down the command ⌘ key to view all available shortcuts for the app you’re currently using, and use Fn-m or globe key -m to see a list of all available system shortcuts.
sccxy 5 hours ago||||
Specs show that Pro models got Thunderbolt and Air only got USB-C.

Very vague specs.

Can iPad Air USB-C deliver 4k 120hz or how much bandwidth that USB-C got?

SenHeng 5 hours ago|||
It's been possible since the iPad 2.

I used to code HTML/CSS that way back in... 2011?

znpy 5 hours ago||
I was about to ask the same. I'd like to get an ipad for the same purpose. The iPad pro can for sure, but I don't want to spend ipad pro money.
joshkojoras 5 hours ago||
I had a 2008 iPad until few years ago and I think it was the most impressive device I ever owned. I couldn't believe how much performance and longevity you can get out of such a small and simple device, for the price which hasn't changed in 8 years. I sold it because I spent most of my time on a laptop, but looking at this new M4 Air iPad makes my wallet tingle. I first want to see what the low cost Macbook is like, hopefully that's tomorrow.
pier25 5 hours ago|
The iPad 1 was released in 2010
joshkojoras 3 hours ago|||
I made a typo, it was supposed to say 2018.
kridsdale3 4 hours ago|||
Unless you had a prototype.
DiabloD3 5 hours ago|
This would go from "toy for children" to "instant buy" for me if it ran Linux and not an entertainment pipeline with a captive app store.
CafeRacer 5 hours ago||
Yes, exactly. Second this.

I've run nixdarwin + aerospace now for a while on the older macos version and it's insanely how the customized workflow can improve productivity.

Recently I started experimenting with nixos/asahi and it's waaaaay more better than even what I had on macos.

ivanjermakov 4 hours ago||
Even JIT-enabled Linux VM on an iPad would make it a perfect travel workstation. Too bad Apple won't let iPad eat the MacBook pie.
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