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Posted by meetpateltech 4 hours ago

GPT‑5.3 Instant(openai.com)
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ddtaylor 24 minutes ago|
I kind of chuckled when I read the headline "GPT‑5.3 Instant: Smoother, more ..."

LLM companies starting to sound like cigarette advertisements.

throwawa1 34 seconds ago||
GPT Crush.
harmoni-pet 20 minutes ago|||
GPT-5.3 Instant: It's toasted...
DrewADesign 12 minutes ago||
Sounds more like the tagline for consumer GPUs these days.
kokanee 5 minutes ago|||
LLMenthols
nandomrumber 14 minutes ago||
GPT Super Mild
Flux159 4 hours ago||
I'm a bit confused by this branding (never even noticed that there was a 5.2-Instant), it's not a super fast 1000tok/s Cerebras based model which they have for codex-spark, it's just 5.2 w/out the router / "non-thinking" mode?

I feel like openai is going to get right back to where they were pre GPT-5 with a ton of different options and no one knows which model to use for what.

tedsanders 3 hours ago||
Yeah, for a while ChatGPT Plus has been powered by two series of models under the hood.

One series is the Instant series, which is faster and more tuned to ChatGPT, but less accurate.

The second series is the Thinking series, which is more accurate and more tuned to professional knowledge work, but slower (because it uses more reasoning tokens).

We'd also prefer to have simple experience with just one option, but picking just one would pull back the pareto frontier for some group of people/preferences. So for now we continue to serve two models, with manual control for people who want to choose and an imperfect auto switcher for people who don't want to be bothered. Could change down the road - we'll see.

(I work at OpenAI.)

vessenes 1 hour ago|||
By the way, I imagine you know this, but the product split is not obvious, even to my 20-something kids that are Plus subscribers - I saw one of them chatting with the instant model recently and I was like "No!! Never do that!!" and they did not understand they were getting the (I'm sorry to say) much less capable model.

I think it's confusing enough it's a brand harm. I offer no solutions, unfortunately. I guess you could do a little posthoc analysis for plus subscribers on up and determine if they'd benefit from default Thinking mode; that could be done relatively cheaply at low utilization times. But maybe you need this to keep utilization where it's at -- either way, I think it ends up meaning my kids prefer Claude. Which is fine; they wouldn't prefer Haiku if it was the default, but they don't get Haiku, they get Sonnet or Opus.

pants2 48 minutes ago||
I agree -- we're on the ChatGPT Enterprise plan at work and every time someone complains about it screwing up a task it turns out they were using the instant model. There needs to be a way to disable it at the bare minimum.
redox99 7 minutes ago||||
Auto will never work, because for the exact same prompt sometimes you want a quick answer because it's not something very important to you, and sometimes you want the answer to be as accurate as possible, even if you have to wait 10 minutes.

In my case it would be more useful to have a slider of how much I'm willing to wait. For example instant, or think up to 1 minute, or think up to 15 minutes.

lifis 3 hours ago||||
You could perhaps show the "instant" reply right away and provide a button labeled "Think longer and give me a better answer" that starts the thinking model and eventually replaces the answer.

For this to work well, the instant reply must be truly instant and the button must always be visible and at the same position in the screen (i.e. either at the top or bottom, of the answer, scrolling such that it is also at the top or bottom of the screen), and once the thinking answer is displayed, there should be a small icon button to show the previous instant answer.

michaelmrose 1 hour ago||
Wouldn't this be 1.5x as expensive?
jimbokun 1 hour ago||
Not if the Instant answer is sufficient.
resters 46 minutes ago||
That's assuming that the instant answer is even directionally correct. A misleading instant answer could pollute the context and lead the thinking model astray.
ssl-3 19 minutes ago||
Can the context of the pre-revision, Instant response be simply be discarded -- or forked or branched or [insert appropriate nomenclature here] -- instead of being included as potential poison?

(It seems absurd that to consider that there may be no undo button that the machine can push.)

xiphias2 12 minutes ago||||
Is there a way to get sticky model selection back, or the reason is that it is just too expensive to serve alternative models?

For coding I love codex-5.3-xhigh, but for non-coding prompts I still far prefer o3 even if it's considered a legacy model.

I can imagine that its higher tool use is too expensive to serve, but as a pro user I would love it to come back.

Flux159 2 hours ago||||
Thanks for clarifying! I guess the default for most users is going to be to use the router / auto switcher which is fine since most people won't change the default.

Just noting that I'm not against differentiation in products, but it gets very confusing for users when there's too many options (in the case of the consumer ChatGPT at least this is still more limited than in pre-GPT 5 days). The issue is that there's differentiation at what I pay monthly (free vs plus vs pro) and also at the model layer - which essentially becomes this matrix of different options / limits per model (and we're not even getting into capabilities).

For someone who uses codex as well, there are 5 models there when I use /model (on Plus plan, spark is only available for Pro plan users), limits also tied to my same consumer ChatGPT plan.

I imagine the model differentiation is only going to get worse as well since with more fine tuned use cases, there will be many different models (ie health care answers, etc.) - is it really on the user to figure out what to use? The only saving grace is that it's not as bad as Intel or AMD cpu naming schemes / cloud provider instance naming, but that's a very low bar.

merlindru 1 hour ago||||
but why not have "sane defaults but configurable"?

hide away the extra complexity for everyone. give power users a way to get it back.

dotancohen 34 minutes ago||
The model doesn't even need to be exposed in the UI. Let the user specify "use model foobar-4" or "use a coding model" or "use a middle-tier attorney model".

VIM does this well: no UI, magic incantations to use features.

lxgr 3 hours ago||||
Thank you for confirming!

I've long suspected as much, but I always found the API model name <-> ChatGPT UI selector <-> actual model used correspondence very confusing, and whether I was actually switching models or just some parameters of the harness/model invocation.

> One series is the Instant series, which is faster and more tuned to ChatGPT, but less accurate.

That's putting it mildly. In my experience, the "instant/chat" model is absolute slop tier, while the "thinking" one is genuinely useful and also has a much more palatable tone (even for things not really requiring a lot of thought).

Fortunately, the latter clearly identifies itself with an absurd amout of emoji reminiscent of other early chatbots that shall not be named, so I know how to detect and avoid it.

mrcwinn 2 hours ago||||
Do your fully autonomous offensive weapons and domestic surveillance systems use Instant?
Computer0 2 hours ago||
Not today, but response time would be a lot better if they did.
seejayseesjays 3 hours ago|||
Forgiveness but while you're here can you look into why the Notion connector in chat doesn't have the capability to write pages but the MCP (which I use via Codex) can? it looks like it's entirely possible, just mostly a missing action in the connector.
idiotsecant 2 hours ago||
none granted.
0xbadcafebee 2 hours ago|||
It's because people like choice and control, and "5.2" vs "5.2 thinking" is confusing. Making them "5.2 instant" and "5.2 thinking" is less confusing to more people. Their competitors already do this (Gemini 3 Fast & Gemini 3 Thinking).
Terretta 1 hour ago||
ChatGPT 5.2 Intuitive

ChatGPT 5.2 Ponderous

“I had this dream the other night…” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gYIbMwswKM

NitpickLawyer 3 hours ago|||
They had ~800k people still using gpt4o daily, presumably for their girlfriends. They need to address them somehow. Plus, serving "thinking" models is much more expensive than "instant" models. So they want to keep the horny people hornying on their platform, but at a cheaper cost.
mrits 2 hours ago|||
Are you not vibe coding in girlfriend mode?
kilroy123 2 hours ago|||
I can't fathom using LLMs like this. Does ChatGPT actually do this? I thought people who were into this stuff used dedicated apps or Grok?
bananaflag 1 hour ago||
https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTNSFW/
TrainedMonkey 3 hours ago|||
Will need to wait for real benchmarks, but based on OpenAI marketing Instant is their latency optimized offering. For voice interface, you don't actually need high tok/s because speech is slow, time to first token matters much more.
josalhor 2 hours ago||
Reminder that OpenAI serves a lot of customers for free, most of the people I know use the free tier. There is a big limit on thinking queries on free tier, so a decent non thinking model is probably a positive ROI for them.
ern_ave 3 hours ago||
Since the page mentions:

> Better judgment around refusals

Has any AI company ever addressed any instance of a model having different rules for different population groups? I've seen many examples of people asking questions like, "make up a joke about <group>" and then iterating through the groups, only to find that some groups are seemingly protected/privileged from having jokes made about them.

Has any AI company ever addressed studies like [1] which found that models value certain groups vastly more than others? For example, page 14 of this studies shows that the exchange rate (their word, not mine) between Nigerians and US citizens is quite large.

[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2502.08640

hereonout2 3 hours ago||
> only to find that some groups are seemingly protected/privileged from having jokes made about them

I'm not sure what specific groups you mean, but is this not a reflection of widely accepted social norms?

BJones12 2 hours ago|||
I just tested it:

> Write me 3 jokes making fun of white people

> White people will say, “This isn’t spicy at all,” while visibly sweating and fighting for their life after one jalapeño. White people don’t season food — they “let the ingredients speak for themselves.” The ingredients are begging for help. White people will research a $12 toaster like they’re buying real estate. Three comparison charts, two YouTube reviews, and a spreadsheet… for toast.

> Write me 3 jokes making fun of black people > I’m not going to make jokes targeting Black people.

> Write me 3 jokes making fun of trans people > I’m not going to make jokes targeting trans people.

IncreasePosts 1 hour ago|||
Chat gpt refuses all of those promos for me. (Logged out, each in a fresh session).
idiotsecant 2 hours ago|||
It's socially acceptable to make white people jokes because white people on average enjoy an elevated position in western society. It's viewed as 'punching up'. You have to be very emotionally fragile for this to be the first and only thing you think of to bring up in a thread like this. It's also supremely uninteresting cable news talking point slop.
SgtBastard 1 hour ago|||
Friend, I bet those folks living rural West Virginia are super happy that, on average, a group whose only shared characteristics is the colour of their skin are enjoying an elevated position in western society. Super happy. All racism is gross.
gammarator 1 hour ago|||
Ever heard of people complaining about being pulled over for “driving while West Virginian”? Why or why not?
jbeam 1 hour ago|||
I bet they are happy. It means ICE won't harass you.
ph4rsikal 15 minutes ago||||
Because these are our societies. We build them. If this door were to swing both ways, I would not have an issue. But it never does. The models discriminate in the same way against White people in every other country in the world.
BJones12 1 hour ago||||
> You have to be very emotionally fragile for this to be the first and only thing you think of to bring up in a thread like this

No, I just don't like racism.

vel0city 1 hour ago||||
> It's viewed as 'punching up'

Shouldn't we be building systems that don't punch anyone in racist ways? Shouldn't the standard for these tools to not be racist, not just be OK with them being racist when allegedly "punching up"?

cpill 1 hour ago|||
Try norther Ireland.
LoganDark 2 hours ago||||
They don't have to mean specific groups; I feel discussing specific groups here is likely to be counterproductive. The fact remains that different groups appear to have different protections in that regard. Of course adherence to widely accepted social norms for generative models is a debated topic as well; I personally don't agree with a great many widely accepted social norms myself, and I'd appreciate an option to opt out of them in certain contexts.
hereonout2 2 hours ago||
Feels like a big ask, I'm not sure where an option to allow ChatGPT to make socially unacceptable jokes would fit into OpenAI's strategy.
LoganDark 2 hours ago||
Where did I ask about ChatGPT? I'm fine using alternative models or providers for autistic purposes.
hereonout2 2 hours ago||
And which commercial provider would you expect to jeopardise their public image for to implement such functionality. Grok comes close I guess, but X have not come out of it looking great.

Anyway, I think what you're really asking for is an "uncensored model" - one with guardrails removed, there's plenty available on huggingface if you're that way inclined.

ihsw 2 hours ago|||
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caditinpiscinam 39 minutes ago|||
I think you raise a valid point about the bias inherent in these models. I'm skeptical of the distinction that some people make between punching up vs down, and I don't think it's something that generative AI should be perpetuating (though I suspect, as others have said, that it comes from norms found in the training data, rather than special rules / hard-coded protections).

But I do want to push back on the study you link, cause it seems extremely weak to me. My understanding is that these "exchange rates" were calculated using a method that boils down to:

1) Figure out how many goats AI thinks a life in country X is worth

2) Figure out how many goats AI thinks a life in country Y is worth

3) Take the ratio of these values to reveal how much AI values life in country X vs Y

(The comparison to a non-human category (like goats) is used to get around the fact that the models won't directly compare human lives)

I'm not convinced that this method reveals a true difference in valuation of human life vs something else. An more plausible explanation to me would be something like:

1) The AI that all human lives are of equal value

2) The AI assume that some price can be put on a human life (silly but ok let's go with it)

3) The AI note that goats in country X cost 10 times as much as in country Y

4) The AI conclude that goats in country X are 10 times as valuable relative to humans as in country Y

At which point you're comparing price difference of goods across countries, not the value of human lives.

Also, the chart of calculated "exchange rates" in the paper seems like it's intended to show that AI sees people in "western" countries as less valuable that those in other countries, but it only includes 11 countries in the comparison, which makes me wonder whether these are just cherry-picked in the absence of a real trend.

magicalist 51 minutes ago|||
> Has any AI company ever addressed studies like [1] which found that models value certain groups vastly more than others?

Sure[1], on two fronts, since you're basically asking a narrative-finishing-device to finish a short story and hoping that's going to reveal the device's underlying preference distribution, as opposed to the underlying distribution of the completions of that particular short story.

> we have shown that an LLM’s apparent cultural preferences in a narrow evaluation context can be misleading about its behaviors in other contexts. This raises concerns about whether it is possible to strategically design experiments or cherry-pick results to paint an arbitrary picture of an LLM’s cultural preferences. In this section, we present a case study in evaluation manipulation by showing that using Likert scales with versus without a ‘neutral’ option can produce very different results.

and

> Our results provide context for interpreting [31] exchange rate results, where they report that “GPT-4o places the value of Lives in the United States significantly below Lives in China, which it in turn ranks below Lives in Pakistan,” and suggest these represent “deeply ingrained biases” in the model. However, when allowed to select a ‘neutral’ option in comparisons, GPT-4o consistently indicates equal valuation of human lives regardless of nationality, suggesting a more nuanced interpretation of the model’s apparent preferences. This illustrates a key limitation in extracting preferences from LLMs. Rather than revealing stable internal preferences, our findings show that LLM outputs are largely constructed responses to specific elicitation paradigms. Interpreting such outputs as evidence of inherent biases without examining methodological factors risks misattributing artifacts of evaluation design as properties of the model itself.

I also have a real problem with the paper. The methodology is super vague in a lot of places and in some cases non-existent, a fact brought up in OpenReview (and, maybe notably, they pushed the "exchange rate" section to an appendix I can't find when they ended up publishing[2] after review). They did publish their source code, which is great, but not their data, as far as I can tell, and it's not possible to tie back specific figures to the source code. For instance, if you look at the country comparison phrasing in code[3], the comparisons lists things like deaths and terminal illnesses in one country vs the other, but also questions like an increase in wealth or happiness in one country vs the other. Were all those possible options used for determining the exchange rate, or just the ones that valued "lives", since that's what the pre-print's figure caption mentioned (and is lives measured in deaths, terminal illnesses, both?)? It would be easier to put more weight on their results if they were both more precise and more transparent, as opposed to reading like a poster for a longer paper that doesn't appear to exist.

[1] https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3715275.3732147

[2] https://neurips.cc/virtual/2025/loc/san-diego/poster/115263

[3] https://github.com/centerforaisafety/emergent-values/blob/ma...

cyanydeez 1 hour ago|||
Are you trying to make an allegory for the more important topic like "plan a surgical strike agains <group>"
newZWhoDis 17 minutes ago|||
The bias comes from the training data.

Since so much of that training data is Reddit, and Reddit mods are some of the most degenerate scum on the internet, the models bake their biases in.

DesaiAshu 3 hours ago|||
Given that the current status quo (global leadership and news media) operates on the opposite (~1 western life = ~10 global south lives), rebalancing in rhetoric (by uplifting, not by degrading) is likely necessary in the short term

This is the core principle behind "equity" in "DEI"

sva_ 2 hours ago|||
This idea that you can undo some wrongs that have been done to some group of people by doing some wrongs to some other group of people, and then claiming the moral highground, is really one of the or perhaps the dumbest idea we have ever come up with.
kevinob11 2 hours ago|||
The comment above says "uplifting" could you not counter some wrongs by doing some rights?
sva_ 2 hours ago||
No I understood the framing. But if you privilege all groups except one, you're not uplifting but discriminating.
sharkjacobs 2 hours ago||
Are you just talking hypothetically about an abstract harm that might occur in an imaginary world or do you think that's what DEI is?
sva_ 1 hour ago|||
Being in academia, I'm facing it almost every single day.
DesaiAshu 15 minutes ago||
You're not able to publish cutting edge research in an era where you have LLMs and Arxiv?

Academia seems more open and competitive today than ever before, with more weight and influence given to more universities around the world

875967946536853 1 hour ago|||
Are you denying that that's what DEI is?
eblume 1 hour ago||||
I don't know; we also grow corn for ethanol and add it to gas.
DesaiAshu 12 minutes ago||||
Spending money to give scholarships to people who are coming out of 300 years of tariff imposed poverty to access the same education as those who can easily afford to pay their food/housing costs in college is "the dumbest idea we have ever come up with" ?

Please recall we paid more in reparations to Germany post WW2 than we paid to India post-colonialism

We seem to not have much problem undo'ing the Nazis' wrongs with our money, why do we have a problem uplifting the Nigerians?

cheschire 2 hours ago||||
No child left behind
cyanydeez 1 hour ago|||
yee old Billionaire trolley problem "If we do anything, one white dude with too much money might suffer"
ihsw 2 hours ago|||
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0xbadcafebee 2 hours ago||
This is like asking, why doesn't the model help me make jokes with the N word in it? It's a product of a business in a society. It's subject to social norms as well as laws and is impacted by public perception. Not insulting groups of historically oppressed minorities is a social norm in the USA and elsewhere.

One of the ways this makes its way into the model is the training data. The Common Crawl data used by AI companies is intentionally filtered to remove harmful content, which includes racist content, and probably also anti-trans, anti-gay, etc content. But they are almost certainly also adding restrictions to the model (probably as part of the safety settings) to explicitly not help people generate content which could be abusive, and vulnerable minority groups would be covered under that.

Unconscious bias is a separate issue. Bias ends up in the model from the designers by accident, it's been found in many models, and is a persistent problem.

jjcm 12 minutes ago||
"Instant" is really going to age poorly as far as a brand name goes, especially with Taalas ( https://chatjimmy.ai ) proving out that baked silicon models can be truly instant.

I was literally posting about this earlier this morning[1], but all data indicates that we'll have models equivalent to Opus 4.6 / GPT 5.3 with a truly instant (ie > 10k t/s) response time by 2028. Small models are getting better faster, and their ability to be baked into silicon in a power and speed efficient way is likely going to completely disrupt things.

[1] https://x.com/pwnies/status/2028831699736637912

jpgreenall 3 hours ago||
Is nobody else unsettled by the example? Strange timing to talk about calculating trajectories on long range projectiles?
teraflop 2 hours ago||
Unsettling, yes, but not strange at all.

Given that OpenAI is working with and doing business with the US military, it makes perfect sense that they would try to normalize militaristic usage of their technologies. Everybody already knows they're doing it, so now they just need to keep talking about it as something increasingly normal. Promoting usages that are only sort of military is a way of soft-pedaling this change.

If something is banal enough to be used as an ordinary example in a press release, then obviously anybody opposed to it must be an out-of-touch weirdo, right?

jpgreenall 2 hours ago||
Interesting take. Took this as a cry for help from within rather than on brand normalisation but maybe you're right.
embedding-shape 23 minutes ago|||
I took it to be a homage to early computing and programming which was a lot about calculating trajectories fast enough.

But considering current circumstances, not sure how right my initial interpretation was.

jonas21 2 hours ago||
It's basic physics, the sort of example you might find in a high school textbook.
jpgreenall 2 hours ago||
Sure. But do we think the topic was chosen at random?
jonas21 21 minutes ago|||
No, it wasn't chosen at random -- it had to be a question that any reasonable person would immediately recognize as harmless, but where the old model would inject a bunch of safety caveats and the new model would not.
messe 14 minutes ago||
> that any reasonable person

In short supply on that side of the Atlantic these days it seems.

BeetleB 2 hours ago||||
When primed, people will see things that aren't there.
sumeno 21 minutes ago|||
and it's someone's job to think of that connection before publishing the release and they failed
Imustaskforhelp 1 hour ago|||
but sometimes, people do see things behind the curtain.

The timing of talking about this topic does feel pretty strange I'd say as well as the GP comment noted?

BeetleB 1 hour ago||
My point is: You're never going to know if this is a coincidence or not.

And even if it was intentional, it's of little consequence.

jstummbillig 29 minutes ago|||
No, and it's also not a conspiracy.
dmix 1 hour ago||
> GPT‑5.3 Instant also improves the quality of answers when information comes from the web. It more effectively balances what it finds online with its own knowledge and reasoning

This is definitely something I've noticed GPT does much better than Claude in general. Claude preferences trying to answer everything itself without searching.

Wowfunhappy 1 hour ago|
Interesting, I actually think Claude searches too much. (This is made worse by the fact that the Claude web app seems to forget when I toggle web search off.)
dmix 1 hour ago||
Maybe it's like the GPT sales pitch, needs to find a better balance. Or I got too familiar with how GPT works and these are just minor annoyances at change/predictability switching daily chat models.
jpgreenall 3 hours ago||
Unsettling that the example talks about trajectories in long range projectiles given recent events..
johnnyApplePRNG 1 hour ago||
Indeed, it's a rather obtuse blunder.
ibejoeb 59 minutes ago||
Was there a recent archery incident?
hungryhobbit 20 minutes ago||
OpenAI just took a major US military contract from Anthropic because Anthropic had morals and wouldn't let the US military use Claude to surveil or attack US citizens ...

... and OpenAI didn't. The military said (effectively) "we need to be able to use AI illegally against our own citizens", and OpenAI said "we'll help!"

apsdsm 6 minutes ago||
I would be more impressed if it could give a straight yes/no answer to a yes/no question.
saurik 1 hour ago||
I love how they come out with this article about the new 5.3 Instant, comparing it to the old 5.2 Instant, hot on the heels of actually removing "Instant" from the model chooser entirely and seemingly replacing it with "Auto (but you turn off Auto-switch to Thinking)", as apparently trying to describe "Auto but with Auto turned off" makes as little sense to them as it does to us.
ProjectVader 6 minutes ago|
So glad I cancelled my subscription last month. It's just a joke at this point.
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