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Posted by ppew 7 hours ago

Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns(geohot.github.io)
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dzink 6 hours ago|
To refer back to the trite business book section - making something new is a Blue Ocean Strategy approach. Fighting for existing market share is a bloodied Red Ocean approach that Thiel called “competition is for losers”. So both benevolent and be greedy approaches recommend the same. Make a new puddle for everyone to swim in and you can focus on empathy instead of defense.
strideashort 3 hours ago||
This is exactly what manipulators/value extractors want you to think.

Case in point: how many here have heard of Mick Ronson?

Few perhaps. However most have heard of David Bowie.

See, Ronson was silently creating value for Bowie. Didn’t even get credited although songs like Life On Mars are what they are thanks to his contribution.

Mick was creating value while everyone one else was getting rich.

p697 4 hours ago||
The whole world is obsessed with openclaw. Some companies are now even evaluating their employees' built agents, the tokens consumed, and the money spent on AI. It's really gotten out of hand.
peepee1982 3 hours ago|
The whole world ... Some companies ...

What is it, man?

beanshadow 6 hours ago||
> it will continue to improve, but it won’t “go recursive” or whatever the claim is. It’s always been recursive.

I suspect "going recursive" often colloquially means that AI systems achieve their exponential growth without human software engineers in the mix. This is a moment whose sudden apparent nearness does justify some of the ramping rhetoric, in my opinion.

ingatorp 5 hours ago|
I mean at this point, for that to happen it definitely isn't a matter of intelligence (it can fix errors later and learn from them), it's only a matter of memory and proper harness. Once memory it's solved for good, then recursive self-improvement is inevitable.
KeplerBoy 3 hours ago||
Once all the problems are solved we will be there. Sounds a lot like zeno's paradox. We might be closer than ever but still as far from the goal as ever.
globular-toast 1 hour ago||

    Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness.
    All can know good as good only because there is evil.
    
    Therefore having and not having arise together.
    Difficult and easy complement each other.
    Long and short contrast each other:
    High and low rest upon each other;
    Voice and sound harmonize each other;
    Front and back follow one another.
    
    Therefore the sage goes about doing nothing, teaching no-talking.
    The ten thousand things rise and fall without cease,
    Creating, yet not possessing.
    Working, yet not taking credit.
    Work is done, then forgotten.
    Therefore it lasts forever.
-- Tao Te Ching verse 2.
civvv 1 hour ago|
ChatGPT could never
solstice 3 hours ago||
> The trick is not to play zero sum games. This is what I have been saying the whole time. Go create value for others and don’t worry about the returns. If you create more value than you consume, you are welcome in any well operating community.

Reminds me of Manfred Macx' attitude in the novel Accelerando by Charlie Stross

wartywhoa23 3 hours ago||
Well, it must all start with a precise definition of "value" first, and then proceed to propose a method of lossless conversion of different kinds of values. Is a bottle of water less valueable in a desert than a luxury sedan?
vintermann 6 hours ago||
There are zero-sum games you can't realistically escape. They're really common. Credentials is a zero-sum game. Political power, influence of all sorts, are zero sum games: if you have more of it, someone else has less. Land ownership is basically zero sum, too.
sfink 5 hours ago||
All of those are only zero-sum if you pick a conserved metric. Land ownership is zero-sum if measured in square meters. But say someone buys up land that is parched, dead, and empty. They use it by planting moisture-retaining crops and windbreaks and growing food, or running a business of benefit to the community. Now overall everyone is a little better off, despite 0 square meters being created.

Influence is even more so -- it's common to have situations where nobody is truly paying attention to anyone else. The people with good ideas can't get any traction, and the whole organization just spins in circles, lurching from one externally-imposed crisis to the next. If the people who gain influence use that influence to promote others who are worth paying attention to (and thus they gain influence), everyone benefits. But if you measure that in terms of how many minutes each person gets to speak at the All Hands, it's zero-sum.

card_zero 5 hours ago||
Yes, although we do measure it in square meters (or acres, or tatami mats).

Is there such a thing as "partially zero-sum"? I mean, to express how, unless you get really creative in difficult ways, the supply of land is under pressure due to other people taking all the currently useful parts of it, such as the parts on your island and not underwater.

randomgermanguy 4 hours ago|||
Yes, but in practice land-ownership is only zero sum in places like Europe where every square-kilometer has 300 years of documented ownership etc, or other high-density areas.

The Asia, Africa & the Americas have so much unused space that isn't as inhospitable as central Australia

energy123 6 hours ago|||
Most games are either negative-sum or positive-sum. Very few are zero-sum.
vintermann 5 hours ago||
Well, that's not what I said anyway. I just said that zero sum games are common and there are some important ones you're not escaping.
energy123 4 hours ago||
I'm saying they're not common. Those games you listed are either negative or positive sum. It's like if you draw a random number from a uniform distribution between [-1,1], you're almost certainly not going to get 0. When people say "zero-sum" they use it as a short-hand for "negative-sum", which is fine for casual speaking I guess, because the intended meaning does get across.
vintermann 3 hours ago||
What about the important ones you're not escaping?

To be a bit specific: if you're currently in education, you almost certainly have to play many zero sum games. Yes, education can be a positive thing in itself, but only one of you is going to be best in class. Only a limited number of you will get your papers into that prestigious congress. And while the knowledge may hopefully be useful in itself, the credentials you got in getting it will be less valuable the more people have them.

Then you're off into the housing market. Can more houses be built? Sure. Can we build dikes to claim land from the oceans? Sure. All that is true, but it doesn't help you here and now when you need a place to live - then you're in a game with everyone else who needs a home right now, and if you get one, that's one someone else doesn't get.

Then you have your home, and someone is planning to expand the local almost-unused airport to suddenly take a lot of heavy transport air planes. The noise will impact you a lot. You'd like to influence politics, to call off these plans or at least demand some mitigation, but then you're in a game with others who want to influence politics. Sure, maybe there's a happy compromise to be found, but often there's not. If there isn't, then your ability to put pressure on the decision makers to defend your interests, is going to come at the direct expense of the people wanting an expansion of the airport. Or more likely the other way around.

My point is that yes, it sucks, but often we can't quit the rat race, and often there are conflicts of interest which can't be papered over. It comes off as too easy to, as this author does, say that we can just choose to play different games.

grensley 5 hours ago|||
I feel a strong impulse to conserve all of your matter towards the inside of a locker.
vintermann 5 hours ago||
Then there are situations where someone for inexplicable reasons make dickish comments.
Copyrightest 5 minutes ago||
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nubg 3 hours ago||
> That said, if you have a job where you create complexity for others, you will be found out.

Anybody have examples?

CrzyLngPwd 4 hours ago|
Non-attachment to outcomes has always been one of the cornerstones of life.
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