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Posted by aldarisbm 4 hours ago

Wiz joins Google(www.wiz.io)
128 points | 87 comments
seanieb 3 hours ago|
Congrats to to the Wiz team. Wiz is amazing. But, ugh, joining Google will result in less competition and all that entails. Not great for customers.

It's a pity going public isn't worth it anymore.

dlev_pika 2 hours ago||
> will result in less competition

The system working as intended.

“Competition is for losers” - Peter Thiel

tipiirai 1 hour ago||
Thiel is an idiot
palmotea 1 hour ago|||
>> “Competition is for losers” - Peter Thiel

> Thiel is an idiot

Sounds more like he's selfish, perhaps to an unusual degree. Monopoly is great for the monopolist. For everyone else? Not so much.

Bombthecat 1 hour ago||||
But very rich...
atmosx 17 minutes ago|||
One has very little to do with the other, contrary to popular belief. Exhibit A from 338 BC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutus_(play)
adamking 34 minutes ago|||
Rich!= smart
ToucanLoucan 1 hour ago|||
Maybe we should examine as an industry why so many mediocre men get elevated to positions of incredible power and run great businesses into the ground.
atmosx 14 minutes ago|||
Luck (primarily) and connections. We feel psychologically safe believing there is some determinism _in the world_. But there's none. Studies show that you can have 140 IQ and still end up homeless if circumstances are poor.
lkjdsklf 33 minutes ago||||
The same way mediocre men have been elevated for thousands of years.

A combination of being in the right place at the right time and connections to people with money

Borg3 1 hour ago||||
Connections... It was always like this..
nsjdjdekkddk 33 minutes ago|||
surely you can make a couple billion from mothing given you are so smart
Flatterer3544 23 minutes ago||
Who said you need to be great in an area to tell the difference between competent and incompetent?

While it helps, it doesn't take a genius to tell the difference. Picking the great from the great apart, that'd be another story all together.

999900000999 3 hours ago|||
Someone else will rise to compete.

Then Google will buy them too.

alephnerd 2 hours ago|||
> It's a pity going public isn't worth it anymore.

Israeli VCs tend to be uninterested in IPOs in general - too much of an operational headache and it's difficult to exit a position quickly.

In most cases an IPO isn't worth it for founders because an IPO means you lose operational control. It's basically the "Rich versus Kings" dichotomy [0].

Edit: can't reply

> you can control the share allocations going into an IPO to give you solid voting power

Investors do not like that - they want some degree of operational control in order to right the ship if needed.

In the early 2010s, IPOs like Tesla and Facebook were on terms that gave outside investors little control on operations and that's why Musk and even Zuckerberg to a certain extent can choose to reorient to a new boondoggle with little-to-no investor pushback.

In 2026 if you want to IPO, it will be on the terms of JPMC, GS, etc who are underwriting the IPO.

In a private company, it's easier for an investor to offload or get bought out of their position if the founder wants to maintain operational control.

> While you’re accountable to a board of directors and theoretically accountable to stockholders, in reality management often runs the show

In publicly listed companies, it is magnitudes more difficult to build a board that is aligned with you at a personal level versus in a private company because both the board and strategic shareholders will act as checks against you.

> If you’re acquired, you’re giving up ownership and you tend to lose operational control unless you have agreements in place that say otherwise

An acquisition happens when both the founders and investors want to exit, and has less operational overhead and due dilligence versus going thru the process of an IPO in the US.

> This is counterintuitive to me

Well, that's the reality. This is why Stripe, Databricks, and others have remained private for so long despite having hit IPO-level metrics years ago. If you're already generating high 9 to low 10 figures a year in revenue, you can remain private indefinetly and as a founder you would be able to give yourself a compensation package comparable to a public company, but with much less oversight and stress.

> Interesting, why is this more true of Israeli VC's as opposed to VC's in other markets

Significantly less capital.

"Big" funds like YL Ventures, Cyberstarts, and JVP only have an AUM of $800M, $1.4B, and $1.9B respectively.

And if you were going to IPO in the US anyhow, why would you even invest in an Israeli fund, which wouldn't have enough people with experience for an IPO.

And the handful of Israeli IPOs that happened like SentinelOne or CyberArk weren't that successful.

[0] - https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=38550

moregrist 2 hours ago|||
> In most cases an IPO isn't worth it for founders because an IPO means you lose operational control.

This is counterintuitive to me.

If you’re acquired, you’re giving up ownership and you tend to lose operational control unless you have agreements in place that say otherwise.

With an IPO it seems like you have a better chance to retain control: you can control the share allocations going into an IPO to give you solid voting power. While you’re accountable to a board of directors and theoretically accountable to stockholders, in reality management often runs the show, at least until the board runs out of patience with bad earnings.

SilverElfin 1 hour ago||
The problem is if you go public as a small company, it can be hard to survive. You need to meet expectations every time you do an earnings call or watch your stock get crushed, and it’ll never be given another chance. The burdens are also a lot higher in terms of the cost.

You don’t really see companies under $10 billion going public anymore. That may continue to be the case, but it’s terrible for entrepreneurs.

femiagbabiaka 1 hour ago|||
> Israeli VCs tend to be uninterested in IPOs in general - too much of an operational headache and it's difficult to exit a position quickly.

Interesting, why is this more true of Israeli VC's as opposed to VC's in other markets?

SilverElfin 2 hours ago||
The lack of competition is at this point choice American politicians and the voters. They should be breaking up mega corporations or at least taxing them at really high rates.

Instead, it looks like all the existing incumbents will just continue to rule over society. They have capital, monopolies, and the moats of distribution channels and contracts with their current customers. There is no fair competition - they’ll just replicate your clever product easily.

85392_school 1 hour ago||
This isn't a new observation [0] but this means Google will now have two Wizes, since Wiz is also the name of their internal web framework [1].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43399077

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41092039

tptacek 2 hours ago||
This is the announcement of the completion of an acquisition that began a year ago.
debarshri 3 hours ago||
Google SecOps (Chronicle) is becoming quite popular among the cybersec world. I think eventually there should be an integration play. It is also a way to create wedge into AWS and Azure customers.
hexfish 3 hours ago||
There already is an integration with SecOps: https://www.wiz.io/integrations/google-security-operations and https://docs.cloud.google.com/chronicle/docs/soar/marketplac...

Is that the kind of integration you are refering to?

toomuchtodo 52 minutes ago||
These offerings are to pull customers to GCP. That is what Google is paying for because they couldn't get the traction organically.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47337644

StartupsWala 2 hours ago||
The interesting part is that Wiz built its success largely on being cloud-agnostic. If Google keeps it that way, it becomes a strategic window into AWS and Azure workloads.

If they don’t, they risk destroying the very advantage that made Wiz valuable in the first place.

love2read 2 hours ago||
Extra shade thrown at MoltBook (listed first) which was recently acq by Meta.
whobre 3 hours ago||
For a second I thought it was Woz who was joining Google…
duckmysick 43 minutes ago||
I thought it was WiZ of the lightbulbs fame. Figured they were going all in their smart home approach. But yeah, the other Wiz makes more sense.
giancarlostoro 2 hours ago||
Maybe someone typod in an email "I want you to buy woz" the i and o are next to each other on the keyboard. ;)
myth_drannon 30 minutes ago||
Interesting fact regarding the sale. Because the founders are about to receive $2.4B US, Israeli tax authorities got involved, and the tax on the sale as exception will be paid in US dollars directly without converting to shekels due to concerns it might crash the US/NIS exchange rate (with $US already historically low).
bojangleslover 1 hour ago||
Didn’t this happen a long time ago?
pbiggar 2 hours ago|
Good time to remember that Wiz' VC was accused of paying bribes to CISOs to buy their portfolio's software (of which Wiz is one).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/iainmartin/2024/10/28/this-vc-b...

> Two security executives told Forbes they rejected overtures from Raanan’s team after hearing about the firm’s “menu” of compensation. “I was completely aghast. It was against my principles,” one said.

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