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Posted by timhh 3 days ago

Baochip-1x: What it is, why I'm doing it now and how it came about(www.crowdsupply.com)
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bunnie 8 hours ago|
Hello wonderful people! I'm bunnie - just noticed this is on HN. Unfortunately due to timezones I'm about to afk for a bit. I'll check back when I can, and try to answer questions that accumulate here.
awesomeusername 15 minutes ago||
I run a hardware company now (thankfully in the age of AI), as a direct consequence of reading Bunnies book 'hardware hacker'

Thank you Bunnie.

genxy 3 hours ago||
To anyone from crowdsupply listening, please turn down your VPN check. I am not stripping my privacy protection to use your site.

*edit, Crowdsupply does a full block on multiple VPN providers. There is no way to access their site without turning off your VPN.

vintagedave 3 hours ago||
This is wonderful! Also what a fantastic partnership that allowed adding a new CPU to that die. Kudos to them.

I had a lot of trouble finding out which open source license applies. Wikipedia’s RISC-V page doesn’t seem to say; its citation for being released under open source doesn’t seem to say which one either.[0] Could be wrong. Exhausted after working all day. But it’s not front and center…

On the RISC-V site I thought it might be more prominent too but if it is I missed it. I found some docs there licensed Creative Commons. Is that the license for the entire CPU? Even layouts and everything that is past the ISA to actual silicon?

[0] https://www.extremetech.com/computing/188405-risc-rides-agai...

luma 5 hours ago||
bunnie your book "Hacking the XBox" taught me how to get started on reversing electronics, took the fear out of the process, and replaced it with fun. Thanks for the multi-decades long effort you've made to make these tools available and accessible and approachable, your contributions to the hacker community are immeasurable and I cannot say thank you enough.

Thanks man!

bArray 7 hours ago||
> Those with a bit of silicon savvy would note that it’s not cheap to produce such a chip, yet, I have not raised a dollar of venture capital. I’m also not independently wealthy. So how is this possible?

What kind of order of magnitude of cost are we talking about?

What are the next steps - is there some service to cut the wafer and put into a package for you?

bunnie 5 hours ago|
The masks alone are single digit millions, but with all the design tools and staff costs typically tens of millions is the benchmark number for a tape out in this node.

After coming out of the fab, the chips go through probing, packaging and reeling.

crote 4 minutes ago||
Can you share something about the subsequent per-chip manufacturing costs?
alexisread 5 hours ago||
Great work on the chip, I’m really onboard with the trusted computing aim!

Is there a way to bootstrap binary code into the reram? I’m thinking being able to ‘hand-type’ in a few hundred byte kernel rather than use a flashing tool

the_biot 2 hours ago||
Why the few closed-source components on the system? You mention the bus, USB PHY etc -- are those things harder to design than the CPU core?
15155 38 minutes ago|
They are likely licensed IP.
chuckadams 3 hours ago||
> What’s a banker going to do with the source code of a chip, anyway?

Hand it to someone who does know what to do with it. It's not as important who initially gets the source so much as having it available when it is needed.

mijoharas 7 hours ago|
Cool project. Why is it called the Baochip/Dabao?

Is it big Bao? Or take-away (just learnt the second meaning), or something else?

bunnie 7 hours ago||
Personally, I love eating "bao" (a style of dumplings), but also coincidentally, a homophone of "bao" in Chinese (different character 保, similar sound) has a meaning of "protect; defend. keep; maintain; preserve. guarantee; ensure". So it means both things to me - one of my favorite foods, and also describes the technology.

"dabao" is just a pun on that - means "take-away" or "to-go". The dabao evaluation board is basically a baochip in a "to-go" package.

chuckadams 3 hours ago||
That would explain the naming of OpenBao, a fork of Hashicorp Vault. Goes with the other fork's name (OpenTofu) as well as the meaning you just mentioned.
JSR_FDED 7 hours ago||
I think it’s take-away, or to go. Like when you order some food to go.
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