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Posted by microflash 11 hours ago

Malus – Clean Room as a Service(malus.sh)
https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/SUVS7G-lets_end_open_...

https://malus.sh/blog.html

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ebiester 9 hours ago|
The frustrating thing is I also thought about this as a natural conclusion - but as a natural workflow that corporations will do when they see AGPL dependencies they want to use. (I also think there's a world where we start tightening our software bill of materials anyway.)

I do not believe it will ever again make sense to build open source for business. the era of OSS as a business model will be very limited going forward. As sad and frustrating as it is, we did it to ourselves.

Sardtok 7 hours ago||
Before I visited the site, I was really confused. First, the name means bad, as in evil. Second, I couldn't understand what CRaaS was supposed to be.

But I love it! The perfect response to the "clean room" AI re-implementation and re-licensing of whatever that library is called.

edelbitter 7 hours ago|
>whatever that library is called

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47259177

forvelin 8 hours ago||
they really had an entertaining presentation in fosdem 2026 about this. bit too noisy for my taste but regardless:

https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/SUVS7G-lets_end_open_...

aleksi 8 hours ago|
I was on this talk expecting to hear about MongoDB abusing open source (as you could guess from my profile, that’s a topic dear to my heart). Instead, I saw the most entertaining talk in my life.
wesselbindt 7 hours ago||
I ate the onion. But in my defense, people are really putting forward this argument to relicense from GPL to MIT:

https://github.com/chardet/chardet/issues/327

KronisLV 7 hours ago||
I feel like we live in an interesting time, where you have to second guess whether someone would actually build something like this. Like, the language is very tongue in cheek, but given how messed up copyright law is, you'd think that by now someone would be doing this, and proudly.
fuddle 6 hours ago||
> MalusCorp International Holdings Ltd. is not responsible for any moral implications, existential crises, or late-night guilt spirals resulting from the use of our services.

I think they should take some responsibility!

tekawade 7 hours ago||
How is this legal. Unless it’s trained excluding *all* open source code it’s not legal.

Also, using api and docs itself though not illegal seems defeat the purpose.

Also, it’s not right how creator says “pesky credits to creator”.

Just build your own then. Credit is the least thing everyone using should do.

Thrymr 5 hours ago|
You'll find all the answers if you read more carefully:

> Through our offshore subsidiary in a jurisdiction that doesn't recognize software copyright

> If any of our liberated code is found to infringe on the original license, we'll provide a full refund and relocate our corporate headquarters to international waters.

> "Our lawyers estimated $4M in compliance costs. MalusCorp's Total Liberation package was $50K. The board was thrilled. The open source maintainers were not, but who cares?" - Patricia Bottomline, VP of Legal, MegaSoft Industries

pradn 5 hours ago||
Is AI-driven clean room implementation a wild west at the moment? I suppose there haven't yet been any cases to test this out in real life?
comrade1234 8 hours ago||
So they recreate the open source project by using an llm that was trained in the open source project's source code.
999900000999 9 hours ago|
As a hypothetical.

Let’s say instead it consolidated a few packages into 1. This might even be a good idea for security reasons.

Then it offered a mandatory 15% revenue tip to the original projects.

So far GPL enforcement usually comes down to “umm, try and sue us lol”.

How much human intervention is needed for it to be a real innovation and not llm generated. Can I someone to watch Claude do its thing and press enter 3 times ?

kvgr 9 hours ago|
If the AI could do good refactor of OS project, remove unused code/features and make the code more efficient. Than we really would be out of jobs :D
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