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Posted by cainxinth 1 day ago

A Japanese glossary of chopsticks faux pas (2022)(www.nippon.com)
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econ 17 hours ago|
I once see someone's chopsticks taken away from them and replaced with a knife and fork. I've always wondered what they did wrong. Now I see they probably covered half this list. Haha
bagacrap 9 hours ago||
Does it bother anyone else when people use their teeth to scrape food off a metal utensil (rather than lips, or teeth to food)? I wish English had a specific word for that affront.
PyWoody 3 hours ago||
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who gets annoyed by this.

I was once at a table with someone who was eating tomato soup by putting the spoon into their mouth, bitting it, and then pulling the spoon out. I was losing my mind listening to it.

Dip, ting, dip, ting. Dip, OUCH!.

They chipped their tooth. They chipped a tooth eating tomato soup.

bakies 7 hours ago|||
Biting a fork is a huge pet peeve of mine.
cake-rusk 9 hours ago||
Cringe?
yubblegum 13 hours ago||
Related? https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h02713/japan-ranks-last...
anonu 12 hours ago||
This would make a great poster to give to our local sushi bar chef/friend.

edit: Gemini makes great infographics https://imgur.com/a/V2D9VlM

Hasnep 10 hours ago|
Except a bunch of those diagrams are showing the wrong thing, but yeah, other than that it's good.
K0balt 11 hours ago||
I am a yokobashi offender.

How rude is it? When the food is not well prepared for chopsticks it’s really useful. But I do see why it’s rude, because it does imply that the food is not quite right. The Chinese restaurants in my country seem to have a problem making properly sticky rice.

wagwang 1 day ago||
Always interesting to see the analogs of island vs continental culture when comparing UK <-> America and Japan <-> China. Seems like islanders, due to their reliance on trade, naturally get specialized and autistic about their craft so they can have a comparative advantage, and their obsessions carry over into stuffy traditional practices.
fsckboy 19 hours ago||
>Always interesting to see the analogs of island vs continental culture when comparing UK <-> America and Japan <-> China.

when America was settled/founded by Britains, etiquette had not been standardized in GB either so the differences are due to parallel development, not island vs continent. That probably holds even more for differences between Japan and China.

0x3f 1 day ago|||
I counter with the American swap-the-fork-hand-after-you-cut thing. Diabolical.
kibwen 23 hours ago|||
As an American, I don't think I have ever seen anyone do this.
gnabgib 20 hours ago|||
It's like you've never met someone who's left handed
gavmor 20 hours ago||||
Really? You hold the fork with your dominant hand, and cut with your non-dominant hand?
kibwen 17 hours ago|||
Yes. For the record, Americans also don't wear their shoes indoors, except for maybe some people in extremely dry climates.
tad_tough_anne 13 hours ago|||
Don't all younger Americans do this? Cutting food and pushing it onto the fork requires less dexterity than conveying it to one's mouth. I know Boomers who put down their knives after each cut (never using them to push) and swap their fork around before using it tines-down, and I think it's more comically affected than the tea–pinky thing.
0x3f 11 hours ago||
You're not supposed to use the fork like a shovel, is the thing. The tines are to skewer the food, which is why tines-down makes sense. Otherwise, why not a spoon?

Also, the at-distance interaction between two tools requires much more dexterity than making your hand meet your mouth. The latter you should be able to do with your eyes closed.

manarth 9 hours ago||
If I were eating a stereotypical British meal – say: meat, potatoes, and peas – I would use the fork as a "shovel" for the peas: guide the peas onto the fork with a knife, then raise and eat from the fork.

I wouldn't switch from a fork to a spoon to eat the peas.

Other vegetables are available. I'm not judging.

0x3f 8 hours ago||
> I would use the fork as a "shovel" for the peas

Well I don't personally mind, but this would be seen as poor form in the sense of the original article. You're 'supposed' to kind of spear them onto the end of the tines using the knife.

Also, with the scoop method, if the peas are hard enough, I would think they're at great risk of rolling around and off the fork. If I were going scoop style, I'd have to mash or at least flatten them a little first to prevent this.

No wonder robotics is hard.

manarth 7 hours ago||

    > "No wonder robotics is hard"
Imagine the furore when AGI realises humans frown on it for its table-manners! :-D
zephen 4 hours ago||||
As another American, I submit you really haven't been paying attention.
jnwatson 23 hours ago|||
Really? You don't know any Naval Academy graduates then.
bot403 17 hours ago||||
It's considered polite in American culture.
dgxyz 1 day ago|||
That’s just mental. Does my head in when I see it.
mlhpdx 1 day ago||
American raised by a Brit here, and I was literally just doing this during lunch out. I consider the upside down fork just plain torture.
dugidugout 1 day ago|||
Would you mind sharing your insight? I'd be interested to hear!
Sprotch 23 hours ago||
What stuffy traditional practices does the UK have?
locusofself 16 hours ago||
I did this once and was scolded by my date:

!!! (Serious) To stand chopsticks upright in a bowl of rice. This is taboo, as it is the way rice is presented as a Buddhist funeral offering.

JasonADrury 11 hours ago|
It would also be completely inappropriate if you did that with a fork or a knife.
georgefrowny 18 hours ago||
Chobukubashi would make being left-handed decidedly annoying.
musicale 18 hours ago|
On the other hand (so to speak), European style (fork stays in left hand) is great for left-handers.
zkmon 12 hours ago||
> Kuwaebashi - To take the tips of the chopsticks in one’s mouth.

Does it mean without food?

lijok 8 hours ago|
Are these real or nonsensical ones like crossing the fork and knife on your plate means you didn’t enjoy it
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