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Posted by smartmic 21 hours ago

Do Not Turn Child Protection into Internet Access Control(news.dyne.org)
780 points | 406 commentspage 4
jacquesm 17 hours ago|
For almost three decades authorities have been wondering how to put this 'free communications' genie back into the bottle without taking the GFW approach. It looks like this time they just might get it.

If you really believe that this is about child protection then you are much too gullible, that was never the main reason. If the authorities really wanted to do something about child protection online they'd spend a fraction of what they are going to spend on this on building out the departments in the various countries that actually work on that problem exclusively. As it is they have more work they can handle, which leaves a lot of cases lying and far more of these perps active than what would otherwise be the case.

So as long as you don't see that you know for a fact that this child protection is not the real reason.

SilverElfin 17 hours ago|
It is all about advertising profits. See what I said at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47471747

But what do we do about it? Look at social media comments on this topic. There’s huge support for these age verification laws. Parents chime in about how their kids were affected by social media and how badly this is needed, instead of taking responsibility for raising their kids properly. That article by the Pinterest CEO calling for these laws is naively seen as some sort of sacrifice of profits for the good of everyone’s kids. And no one talks about privacy or the effects on speech.

And all these well funded nonprofits pushing these dishonest bills onto legislators have time and resources. Feels like the privacy friendly people are losing the battle.

1vuio0pswjnm7 18 hours ago||
Controlling access to certain websites, i.e., so-called "social media", is not "internet access control". The web is not the internet. Nor are these laws limiting access to _all_ websites. Third, not all operating systems are controlled by corporations like Apple, Google, etc. and used to protect and promote corporate interests
baal80spam 20 hours ago||
It was never about children...
cdrnsf 18 hours ago||
The people pushing these bills are the same that are looking to ban library books. They’re either bad or ineffective parents (or both). Instead of having a healthy relationship and discussion with their kids they’d rather impose their own regressive ideas by way of legislation on everyone.
Diffusion3166 19 hours ago||
Given that it seems Meta is commissioning these laws, I wonder if a viral open source license that explicitly fails to grant Meta a license to use or modify the software would effectively deter future lobbying for regulations which are especially difficult for the open source community to comply with.
tzs 18 hours ago|
> Given that it seems Meta is commissioning these laws

That's not given. Someone found some good evidence that Meta was supporting (and even supplying language) for some of the earlier laws. Those were the laws doing age checks on websites and typically requiring uploading ID documents or face scans to those websites.

I've not seen anyone provide evidence that Meta has anything to do with the laws that are like the California one, which do not require providing any documentation or proof whatsoever of age. They just required that the parent of a child who uses a device be asked to provide a birthdate or age when setting up the child's account, and that the OS providing an API that apps on that device can use to get the age bracket of the child.

braiamp 17 hours ago||
I fail to see why the "protections" that child data deserves, isn't also the same kind of protection that everyone deserve. In what way are children special, in a digital world, that adults shouldn't be protected the same way?
gzread 17 hours ago|
In this world where we are committed to not making laws affecting the freedom of an adult in any way, even to be forced to consent to things.
1970-01-01 17 hours ago||
I'd be ok with this if both ends of the spectrum were covered. Sorry, you're too old to access this computer. Go ask a younger adult if you want to read the news or see photos of your grandkids.
abcde666777 19 hours ago||
The more people that use something the more it inevitably trends toward average mediocrity.

A lot of these trajectories aren't really for us - the techy folk.

Beestie 18 hours ago||
Well age verification works so well to keep alcohol, tobacco and weed beyond the reach of minors so....
polyamid23 8 hours ago||
I wonder if setting my OS age to let’s say 10 would protect me from ads…
superkuh 17 hours ago||
Here we see the danger of the lay perception that multi-media screens are the same as chemical drugs. They are not. Not even close.
nirui 15 hours ago|
You all saw the Epstein scandal, right? If you saw one cockroach this randomly, then you know there are thousand hiding. Maybe that's why Epstein is un-lived.

So I found it very ionic that, to quote on quote "protect" child from online harms, they asks you to upload the photo ID of you and your child to, guess what, real potential pedophiles.

Of course they're going to claim your information is totally safe... just like Bill Gates told his wife it's safe to have sex with him after his STD infestation.

Sure, I don't really know how the companies will actually handle your personal photos, but there's a history where a tech CEO made an attractiveness comparison website using photo obtained from their user uploads without user agreeing. So go figure.

The best way to protect your child is to tech them how to use Internet for their own benefit, and only allow them to create accounts after they've learned how to use Internet correctly. The companies and governments will NEVER do that for you, they'll only steal and steal even more.

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