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Posted by moonka 1 day ago

FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers(www.fcc.gov)
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-420034A1.pdf

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-adds-routers-produced-forei...

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-278A1.pdf

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74787w149zo

https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/fcc-bans-foreign-made-rou...

https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/03/24/fcc-just-banned-the-imp...

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giantg2 1 day ago||
Are there consumer grade routers made in the US?
kittikitti 1 day ago||
Because of this, I'm going to plan my next network upgrade based on open source hardware like Banana Pi. My setup is based on WiFi 7 so this might not apply for a few years. From my understanding, the hardware from proprietary manufacturers is sufficiently advanced to do some advanced surveillance and spyware, whereas previous generations didn't require advanced processing to achieve fiber optic speeds. Back to the original statement, it's clear that the threat of surveillance exists.

Personally, I don't make the distinction between foreign and domestically produced routers in America. In fact, I trust foreign produced routers more because the likelihood that they can act upon their surveillance is significantly lower than the current American regime's oppressive and malicious tactics. Therefore, open source routers provides enough transparency to effectively eliminate spyware threats from all angles while being compliant.

I'm especially excited about the Banana Pi because of the transparency and potential of modular upgrades. Whenever there's a network issue, I have to consider whether the manufacturer (American or not) is doing something nefarious. With a Pi based router, I have much more peace of mind with network debugging issues.

heybales 23 hours ago||
IMHO an underrated comment. The CCP isn't going to break down my door in the middle of the night, but I'm sure I'm on lists at the FBI and ATF just for my political org memberships alone. I think a foreign actor is more likely to use compromised hardware to create service interruptions and general chaos in the event they are attacked by our government, not come put me in a gulag.

The only thing I'm missing right now that would be a nice to have is a wifi card so I can ditch my access point. My hardware isn't open source by any means, but my reliance on non-free networking code is minimal.

autoexec 7 hours ago|||
> I'm sure I'm on lists at the FBI and ATF just for my political org memberships alone.

Thanks to whistleblowers like Mark Klein and Ed Snowden we know that we're all being monitored by the government. If there are "lists" at all at this point it's the few people that aren't being watched 24/7.

dmonitor 18 hours ago|||
If the world were to truly come to those stakes, I would just forgo wireless entirely. Running Cat5/6 through the walls is barely an inconvenience, and cell phones are compromised by design, needing to communicate with a cell tower.
adrian_b 15 hours ago||
There are several vendors of small computers usable as routers/firewalls and who provide complete hardware documentation, including schematics and PCB layout. Some of them also provide an extensive list of accessories, including cases with good passive cooling.

Besides BananaPi, there are e.g. ODROID (Hardkernel from South Korea), FriendlyElec, Radxa.

stuckkeys 6 hours ago||
America is really becoming the shithole country...speed run. The amount of corruption taking place is absurd. lol
yunwal 21 hours ago||
Incredibly obvious domestic surveillance scheme. Quite creepy
KoftaBob 8 hours ago||
To clarify (since the headlines of many articles about this aren't clear about it), this states that it prohibits approval of new Models, so any models that already cleared FCC certification can still be sold in the US, even if they're made overseas.

This is for newly released models that still need to get FCC certification.

cute_boi 6 hours ago||
this administration is going nuts day by day. I don't know how people are even tolerating.
wpm 6 hours ago||
I don't know either. Every day we sink further. I'm losing my fucking mind.
nclin_ 6 hours ago|||
This is completely sane and consistent with the incessant lies, and crackdown on free speech across the US-owned internet. The free flow of information is a threat.
solid_fuel 6 hours ago|||
Lotta people just stick their heads in the ground and ignore it, exactly like they did with all the warning signs during trump’s last term.
wat10000 6 hours ago||
Too many people have rebuilt their entire identity around the guy. It's just like people who get scammed and then keep giving money to the scammer even after you tell them what's going on. Admitting that they've been scammed would be a blow to the ego that they can't handle.

Combine that with a general inability to understand or empathize with what's going on outside what they can directly see. How many Trump supporters have we seen who loved him cracking down on illegal immigrants until the crackdown came for someone they cared about, then suddenly it was an outrage (but only an outrage in that specific case)? How many have cheered tariffs until they had to pay a bunch more money for something? How many said "no more wars!" and thought it was great how Trump didn't invade anyone in his first term, and now are saying that attacking Iran is great because they've been an existential threat for half a century? This will be the same way. It'll be, yeah, stick it to those foreign bastards. America First! Then in a few months or years, "The store doesn't have any routers, what the hell?"

toomuchtodo 6 hours ago|||
The people who can leave are leaving, those who cannot remain until potential change is possible.

Bloomberg Editorial Board: The US Must Not Become a Nation of Emigrants - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-03-20/immigr... | https://archive.today/a9DbM - March 20th, 2026

> A recent analysis found that US emigration has reached unprecedented levels. Much of this exodus is due to the administration’s deportation efforts, but by no means all. Last year, at least 180,000 American citizens left the Land of Opportunity to find a better life elsewhere.

> During the recession of 2008, a Gallup poll found that about 1 in 10 Americans wanted to permanently leave the country. That figure is now 1 in 5. Among women ages 15 to 44, it’s a whopping 40%. Some of that sentiment is tied to politics, of course, but the emigration trend predates the current administration.

kdheiwns 6 hours ago|||
I'm one who left before term one because I anticipated bad things happening. Term 2 is far worse than even my worst expectations. So far I have 2 good friends who left, and a few others got remote jobs and are currently working towards leaving. There's a whole world out there and a lot of it is great. I recommend trying a year outside to everyone I know, and I'm confident most people will be happy (excluding those who like seeing their extended families on a weekly basis, which many people do)
russdill 6 hours ago|||
I take the Michael Bolton attitude, why should I leave, he's the one that sucks. There are elections coming up.
Shalomboy 6 hours ago||
are there though?
toomuchtodo 6 hours ago||
They are until they aren’t.
wrs 6 hours ago|||
“Day by day?” “Tolerating?”
petcat 6 hours ago||
It has nothing to do with the current administration. The Secure Equipment Act was passed in 2021 and signed into law by Joe Biden.

> This law requires the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to issue rules stating that it will no longer review or approve any authorization application for equipment that poses an unacceptable risk to national security.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Equipment_Act

huslage 6 hours ago|||
That act does not require the FCC to issue any blanket ruling like this. And the "unaccceptable risk" provision is legally dubious at best.
mattkrause 6 hours ago||||
That's not entirely true.

The Secure Equipment Act itself was passed in 2021, but the law itself doesn't proscribe any particular equipment or manufacturers. Instead, tells the FCC to create a list and delegates listing duties to various parts of the executive branch (national security agencies, Commerce, the Federal Acquisition Security Council). That's what changed yesterday and it was in fact done by the current administration.

mikeyouse 6 hours ago||||
The Biden administration declared ZTE, Huawei and a few other small Chinese companies as supply chain risks and prohibited importing their hardware --- the Trump administration just declared every single router made overseas as a risk. If you can't tell the difference between those two things...

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-420034A1.pdf

graemep 6 hours ago||||
That says "telecommunications equipment" and it sounds like its talking about network equipment. The page you link to does not mention any developments since 2022 so what has changed this month?
wrs 6 hours ago|||
There is quite a stretch from “unacceptable risk to national security” to “absolutely any foreign-made equipment”. And that stretch has everything to do with the current administration.
vaxman 12 hours ago||
The Spirit of this law __must__ also now apply to SoCs produced by non-allied nations that feature USFCC-approved RF microelectronics, such as __ESP32__ Here's to hoping USFCC gets around to also reflecting this in the Letters of this law sooner, rather than later.

[cue https://youtu.be/EnIm71jRb_o]

passive 13 hours ago||
This is terrible, perhaps the worst thing this administration has done (which is an incredibly high bar.)

Because it provides a pathway to full government control of the internet.

Content that demonizes the current administration's enemies will become easier to find. Evidence of their crimes will vanish.

When they murder someone in the street, fewer people will find out about it, and those that do will be more likely to hear the government's side of the story.

Mobile networks are already owned by the billionaires, and they've shown plenty of willingness to shape traffic for their interests.

Managing this kind of information at scale is an incredible challenge, but one that LLMs are very well suited for.

Even if you are confident the current administration doesn't have the competence or longevity to exploit this (as I mostly am,) we can easily predict future admins of either party will happily make use of these capabilities.

Bad for the US, but also very bad for the world, because it will make it much easier to manufacture consent for or hide future international crimes committed by the government.

We've excused the complete loss of traditional journalism with a reliance on the Internet instead. Not anymore.

Can savvy individuals work around it, of course. But the general public will treat them like conspiracy theorists, because all they will see is content that reinforces the administration.

The technical discussions in here sound like: "silly Caligula, his horse won't be able to sign his name to cast a vote in the Senate."

mrsssnake 1 day ago|
What is a router?

Really, do they have a definition?

protocolture 1 day ago||
Device that connects multiple networks? Layer 3 of the OSI model? Consumer ones tend to have more than that, but the more specific definition would work fine.

Yeah conceivably you could use this to ban any network device that is capable of routing between interfaces, so lots of switches with new firmware could do it, often terribly, as well as PCs with multiple interfaces. But its probably going to involve intention.

dmonitor 18 hours ago||
Any PC with a NIC is one VLAN and masquerade rule away from being a router
adrian_b 15 hours ago||
That is true, but you can also add USB Ethernet interfaces to any PC, which is even simpler.

For example, my router/firewall, which also implements various other network services, e.g. hosting my own e-mail server, is an old Intel NUC with 5 Ethernet ports, 4 of which are made with USB Ethernet interfaces.

otterley 20 hours ago|||
The definition is at the bottom of this document https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/NSD-Routers0326.pdf

...which in turn refers to https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/ir/2024/NIST.IR.8425A.pdf

walterbell 23 hours ago||
Good question for devices that ship with multiple network interfaces, multiple video outputs, no RAM and no software.
RiverCrochet 23 hours ago|||
If multiple network interfaces defines a router, then every cell phone is one, because every cell phone has a cellular and Wifi interface, and is a router in hotspot mode. Three interfaces if you count USB which can also be a network interface (hotspot works over USB in both Windows and Linux) and four if Bluetooth PAN is still a thing.
walterbell 21 hours ago||
Speaking of phone companies, Apple will be manufacturing Mac Mini in USA.

If Apple can make a Neo laptop out of phone parts, they could make a US Airport router out of US mini PC parts.

reverius42 20 hours ago|||
All routers ship with software.

(edit: and RAM!)

(edit: and NOT multiple video outputs!!)

walterbell 20 hours ago||
x86 multi NIC barebone fanless PC is not for routing, nope.
reverius42 19 hours ago|||
It definitely could be! And some people do use it for that!

(edit: but it's not considered a consumer grade router, that's for sure!)

dmonitor 18 hours ago|||
Who said anything about multiple NICs? Ethernet port and Wifi modem in AP mode are more than enough
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