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Posted by skogstokig 19 hours ago

Flighty Airports(flighty.com)
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nathancahill 4 hours ago|
MiseryMap: https://www.flightaware.com/miserymap/
degenerate 3 hours ago||
Misery Map adds two crucial pieces of context: the delays between airports, and rain/snow on the map, which often is the reason for delays. It's nice to see it all together.
ChrisClark 1 hour ago|||
Any way to see other airports? I never travel to the US
ViktorRay 4 hours ago||
Pretty interesting link as well. Thanks for sharing
HarHarVeryFunny 7 hours ago||
I'm not sure the use case for this. It seems the information provided is just number of on-time/delayed/cancelled flights, but how is the user meant to use that information? Check before booking flight and choose another airport it it has more on-time flights? I think most people are just going to fly out of the nearest/most convenient airport and hope for the best.

I was hoping this might have information about length of security lines, a bit like Google maps indicating delays due to traffic build up, but this doesn't seem to be there. That would have been useful/actionable - give an idea how far ahead to arrive at airport to make it through security.

bodhiJhawken 7 hours ago||
Flighty is generally built around supporting your flight experience. I’m a touring lighting designer, and I spend a fairly large portion of my life in the air. Myself and most other touring crew I know adore Flighty. We get precious few hours to sleep, and being able to sleep in a few extra hours due to delays or spend an extra 30 minutes in the lounge eating and showing makes the difference between a good show and a bad show.

Flighty has 99% of the time notified me about issues before airlines have. In a couple situations it’s been more than 6 hours ahead of airline communication and I can personally speak to the amount of shows myself and my artists have been able to make because of an early notification about a delay or cancellation giving us enough time to reroute before everyone else rebooks.

Also the flighty passport has some amazing data and stats we all love to share with each other every year.

The new update just looks to add another tool to the flighty tool belt to keep me appraised of how likely I am to make it to my next show. Jury is still out on how good the data is though!

atonse 5 hours ago|||
I travel 4-5 trips a year and I didn't hesitate for a second to pay for Flighty, because this was one of those "man these guys deserve to be rewarded for the amazing job they've done"

I have had at least 2-3 situations where Flighty gave me information before the airport did, and that I ended up being a guy informing a few fellow passengers on the status of our flight before the airlines did.

They've chosen a niche, have executed extremely well, and I'm happy to throw $50/year at them to say thank you for an excellent product that does everything I want.

My ONLY complaint is that during a flight, flighty's live activity or something uses up a TON of battery. It seems unlike them to overlook such a thing when the rest of the app has such a polish and attention to detail (form and function-wise)

malfist 6 hours ago|||
You created this account 14 minutes prior to this post. Forgive me if I don't trust your testimonials. Feels very astroturf
bodhiJhawken 6 hours ago|||
Haha i knew i was going to get this reply. Long time lurker first time poster. My instagram backs up the story @bodhihawken

Honestly have just been using Flighty for 4 years

bzillins 5 hours ago||||
Flighty was recommended to me by a flight attendant and I also have been notified hours ahead of the airlines by it.
malfist 1 hour ago||
You logged in after a 5 year hiatus to advertise for an app?
xvector 5 hours ago|||
Take it from an older account then. Flighty has been amazing, I can attest to every point above (except sleeping in airports, I don't do that)
bob1029 6 hours ago||
> a bit like Google maps indicating delays due to traffic build up,

Traffic on google maps might actually be a good canary for airport issues.

ZeWaka 16 hours ago||
If you fly a lot, you might also be aware of the National Airspace System Status: https://nasstatus.faa.gov/

It also has links to a lot of other information useful for people in the airline industry.

I find the Airport Arrival Demand Chart to be good for seeing a big picture of all the flights: https://www.fly.faa.gov/aadc/

jpalawaga 4 hours ago|
I've never seen the nasstatus page, but I have seen the OIS page, which I use frequently when experiencing delays to find out what's going on: https://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/?legacy=true

The links on the NAS page are also really good. nice share!

sssilver 13 hours ago||
Such delightful UI.

One small thought: as I scroll down on a particular airport page, it would be useful for that page to always display the airport's name in a fixed position. I've opened up a few airports and scrolled down to look at the data, and then was unable to tell which page was which airport without scrolling the pages back to the top (I later realized I could just look at the URL, which is cool).

nobrains 8 hours ago|
did u see the TV mode link? i wish more visualization sites had that.
__MatrixMan__ 3 hours ago||
What would be super useful is an indicator of how long it takes to get through TSA
roysting 2 hours ago|
https://babylonbee.com/news/terrorists-give-up-after-three-h...
JDEW 5 hours ago||
CDG shows yellow (“minor issues”), 65% of planes arrive on time, 0% cancelled. FRA shows green (“normal operations”) 59% of planes arrive on time, 4% cancelled.

Surely that’s wrong?

socalgal2 1 hour ago||
Curious what the criteria are for which airports to show at a given zoom level.

At the default for me it showed SFO and SAN, both green, and did not show LAX. LAX is a bigger and busier airport than SFO and SAN.

I'm not saying they were wrong not to show it. Just curious - It was apparently a common interview question - what place names should you show a map at a certain zoom level.

culopatin 14 hours ago||
How does an app like this make money? I made an app that I simply can’t promote because it would bankrupt me. Every person I share it with thinks it’s genius and been using it but if it ever hits critical mass without me knowing it, id be those guys with the “my cloud provider reamed me overnight” posts.
nemothekid 13 hours ago||
I use the Flighty app pretty often, and its $60/year.
kimos 6 hours ago|||
This app brings me so much delight. Seeing the incoming plane, knowing % chance of onetime or late.

Honestly I often know changes from Flighty for my flights before the airlines do or at least before they notify me. I had once my carrier said on time and Flighty said 90 mins delay. I went to the airport on time and turns out flight was delayed. Should have just trusted them!

devilbunny 6 hours ago||
I'm sure the app is wonderful. I've gotten pretty good at finding this data from other sources, though, and one huge problem is that a delay isn't a delay until the airline says it is. If you carry on every bag and have no special requirements, and you checked in online ahead of time (so you have your boarding pass), it's very useful info and I could see paying for the app.

But if, say, you are traveling with a pet that has to be verified at the counter, or you need to check a bag, the time windows for accepting those are set by the scheduled departure time. If your plane is still in the air or hasn't even left its origination airport (and, for the sake of argument here, we will assume you are flying from a smaller airport that doesn't have other aircraft that can easily be reassigned to your flight, so you know it will be delayed), it doesn't matter: they still close the check-in and baggage 45 minutes (on American; YMMV by airline) before scheduled departure. So you have no choice but to get there early and wait unless your airline actually declares the flight delayed when they know it will happen.

friendzis 11 hours ago|||
The app is mac/i os-only, though.
halapro 11 hours ago||
How's this related to anything?
friendzis 11 hours ago||
It means it's strictly unavailable for ~80% of people out there on Windows/Linux/Android?
MajimasEyepatch 5 hours ago|||
That’s true globally, but in the US, iPhones are 60% of the smartphone market. In the US, iPhone users are also younger, more affluent, more educated, and I suspect more likely to fly than Android users. iOS users also dominate in app spending. And from a practical standpoint, 93% of iPhone users are on the latest version of iOS within six months, compared to 20% of Android users, which is huge when it comes to development costs.

Source: https://adapty.io/blog/iphone-vs-android-users/

ymolodtsov 11 hours ago||||
I've seen many developers who released the same app on both iOS and Android and realized that Apple platforms still provide them with 80% of revenue for 20% of users.

Not that many people on Android are willing to pay $60 for an app.

ipsento606 6 hours ago||
Developing for Android is also a much worse developer experience than developing for iOS, because there are thousands of devices to support, and much greater stratification of operating system customizations and older versions.

https://dontkillmyapp.com/ is just one example of the kind of problems app developers face on Android

xd1936 6 hours ago||
Yeah, iOS would never kill an app in the background to try and save battery
ohhman11 11 hours ago||||
>It means it's strictly unavailable for ~80% of people out there on Windows/Linux/Android?

Those platforms don't generate revenue

halapro 8 hours ago||||
Ok, post that as a top comment, it's completely irrelevant to the comment that it replied to.

Like GP, I'm also a paid subscriber and I couldn't care less where else it's available. If anything, it being a native app rather than a multiplatform JS wrapper is a plus to me.

AdamN 10 hours ago||||
It's a business - they're targeting revenues. Making it multi-platform would take alot of effort and the value just isn't there for them right now. The smart move is for them to become awesome on iOS (maybe they're close?) and then create an Android CX.

BTW, them being iOS-only means they're probably getting lots of marketing support from Apple and other perks. That can really help a startup.

simonklitj 11 hours ago|||
Yes, but the question is how it makes money, not whether it could make more money by expanding into other OS’s.
littlecranky67 12 hours ago|||
Why does everything have to make money? People like to built things as a hobby. If you stay away from expensive cloud providers and use cheap vServers, you can host a site like that for around 5-20$/month (depending on number of users).
jasode 10 hours ago|||
>Why does everything have to make money? People like to built things as a hobby.

The gp asked a reasonable question. Your admonition about making money is misplaced because your assumption about it being a hobby is incorrect.

The website was developed by Flighty LLC. To answer the gp's question: Although the website itself doesn't have direct monetization, it acts as "inbound marketing" for the paid iOS app. Clicking on "Download Flighty" takes the user to the Apple App Store:

  In-App Purchases
  Week-to-Week Flighty Pro         $4.99
  Annual Savings Flighty Pro      $59.99
  Month-to-Month Flighty Pro       $9.99
  Annual Savings (Family Plan)   $119.00
  Lifetime Flighty Pro           $299.00
  Flexible Monthly (Family Plan)  $15.99
  Week-to-Week Flighty Pro         $4.99
  Week-to-Week Flighty Pro         $7.99
  Pro Family Lifetime            $449.00
  Annual Savings Flighty Pro      $59.99
The website's hyperlink url to the App Store page also has a tracking id so the company can attribute downloads/sales back to the webpage. This lets them see how well the "free website" is converting to paid customers. As a vehicle to generate sales leads, it seems to work very well. To wit... Wikipedia says the company has been in business for 7 years and it's been upvoted to the HN front page and we're discussing it. (The Flighty website is an example of the old saying, "The best advertising is free advertising.")

It's not just a $5/month VPS. Some cursory googling says Flighty gets data from the FlightAware Firehose api which costs a lot of money. The cost would exceed the financial resources of most people to make an equivalent free hobby website. (https://www.flightaware.com/commercial/firehose/documentatio...)

littlecranky67 7 hours ago|||
They said "an app like this" and went on to talk about their app (which is undisclosed) which can't be monetized.
drcongo 7 hours ago|||
Funnily enough, I just went to download the app, checked the in-app purchases and saw the list you've posted here, then promptly closed the App Store.

How much does this app cost? Who knows?! Does a "Week-to-Week Flighty Pro" subscription cost $4.99 or $7.99? Why is Week-to-Week Flighty Pro $4.99 in the list twice? Same for Annual Savings Flighty Pro $59.99. Apple have made such a fucking mess of in-app purchases that we end up with this kind of rubbish, and I can't place any trust in a developer who allows their in-app purchases list to look like this. So they just lost a sale.

culopatin 5 hours ago||||
You don’t know anything about my app though. I just couldn’t believe that many people would pay this subscription to keep it going. I’m not trying to make money, I just don’t need it to drain my account
GJim 10 hours ago|||
Some people wonder why kids climb trees.
woadwarrior01 8 hours ago|||
Subscriptions on the iOS app. Per SensorTower, it's making ~$1m/month.

https://app.sensortower.com/overview/1358823008?country=US

culopatin 5 hours ago|||
That to me is amazing. I would not pay that much for this and I guess I project that on the user base
barbs 8 hours ago|||
Makes me wonder then why they can't afford a team of Android developers to make the Android version.
kimos 6 hours ago|||
Because they don’t want to?

It’s not just about money. It’s complexity, company size, management, etc.. Loss of focus by having to build a new app from ground up. Features and improvements take longer as they have to be done twice. Parity problems. Support debt. Maintaining multiple versions of the same app isn’t just “hire more”.

As you agreed with, they are successful. Maybe they’re happy with that.

aurmc 4 hours ago||||
I'm sure they can afford that, but would that end up paying for itself? Would that end up bringing in enough new paying users to justify spending all that money on a team of Android engineers?

They probably haven't done it because it doesn't make sense for them financially.

avalys 6 hours ago|||
It’s not that they can’t afford it, it’s that Android users aren’t worth the investment.
chinathrow 12 hours ago|||
Why do you need a cloud provider? Can't a 5$ VPS do the job?
esseph 8 hours ago||
That's just a cloud with a different company's name attached.
aledevv 8 hours ago|||
The popularity and traffic it brings is a gain and a value itself. The web specialists will be able to simply convert it into economic value.
vasco 13 hours ago|||
All my projects are also pure genius and the only reason they are not hyper successful is they'd be too expensive to run too.

The main reason I also am not president of the world already is because I wouldn't like the attention.

ggsp 10 hours ago|||
Have you asked people how much they'd be willing to pay?
teaearlgraycold 11 hours ago|||
What’s your app? Where do the costs come from?
throwaway290 13 hours ago|||
pro features and IAP
WaxProlix 13 hours ago||
Ads? It's not great for users but it's decent monetization. If you really have something good, like actually liked, you can do a donation vs ad-supported model.
culopatin 5 hours ago||
I’ve ran the numbers and the APIs I have to pay for would be more expensive. I’ve tried caching the data which works to some degree but still a negative unless I really degrade the experience
hmartin 18 hours ago||
Love Flightly, one of the best apps ever. Beautiful design + incredibly useful info.
sneak 17 hours ago|
Flighty is poorly designed.

It’s one of those slick apps designed to superficially look nice without actually being well-thought-out. That’s not what design is or should mean; that’s just aesthetics.

Case in point: one of the most important pieces of data for a flight, its duration, is displayed in the tiniest type size on the flight info display pane, in light grey text on a slightly darker grey background. It’s bordering on illegible.

It also doesn’t surface boarding time (or countdown to same), which is the single most important piece of data a flight tracker can give you.

exidy 17 hours ago|||
> one of the most important pieces of data for a flight, its duration

Flighty is all about getting you to the airport in time for your flight, so the most important pieces of information are things like departure times, connection times, delay information, terminal and boarding gate. These are prioritised in the interface.

The flight duration is set when you book the flight and it's not going to change, there is no reason to prioritise this.

> It also doesn’t surface boarding time

I think this would be useful but difficult data to get. Airlines sometimes will push boarding announcements to their own apps but I doubt they would agree to feed Flighty.

yosito 14 hours ago|||
In my extensive travel experience, more than half the time the boarding time listed at the gate isn't even correct.
ymolodtsov 11 hours ago||||
Boarding times are basically not reliable at all. Any time I come 10m after the official boarding time on the ticket there's still a standing line.
japanuspus 9 hours ago|||
Just don't try this on Ryan Air. A good friend got stuck at the airport on a Sunday night after being denied boarding because he waited out the standing line sitting on a bench right by the gate. As soon as the last person standing walked through the checkpoint the gate crew closed the gate -- and completely ignored my friend when he showed up 10 seconds later.
gib444 2 hours ago||
How did his actual boarding time match up with the contractually agreed boarding close time?

Most budget airlines pull this crap but I've started pushing back especially when it's poor weather outside and they expect us to wait in the rain just to improve their metrics

They need some EU261 denied boarding threats/claims to sort them out

ggsp 10 hours ago|||
My guess is that's because boarding a plane is a little bit like being an extra for a film, it's a hurry up and wait situation. If they printed the exact time boarding starts and people showed up then (and later), no flight would ever board on time. Better for the airline to print an earlier time and have people wait longer, so they can board as quickly as possible. Every minute behind schedule costs the airline money.
drdec 2 hours ago|||
AA displays the boarding time in the app instead of the departure time once the flight gets close enough (like same day)

>If they printed the exact time boarding starts and people showed up then (and later), no flight would ever board on time

I don't understand the logic. If everyone is there at the stated boarding time and the airline has correctly allocated enough time for boarding, aren't they winning?

ymolodtsov 9 hours ago|||
Yes, and the actual time is probably too close to the official take off time.

But this is why Flighty probably doesn't show it, it's irrelevant.

ZeWaka 16 hours ago|||
Boarding is hard because it's at the discretion of the airlines, yeah. Departure time is easier because of https://www.fly.faa.gov/edct/showEDCT
exidy 16 hours ago|||
> Departure time is easier because of https://www.fly.faa.gov/edct/showEDCT

If you're in the US!

ZeWaka 15 hours ago||
True. I think you'd have to scrape it from sites that expose it or pay for an API for a country like the UK.
chrony3705 14 hours ago|||
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zeroonetwothree 13 hours ago||||
Why is duration important? Surely you already knew what it was when you booked and it's not like it changes. I can't say that I've ever wanted to double check the duration of my flight.
friendzis 11 hours ago||
Knowing when I land, especially if there are any disturbances, is probably THE most important piece of information with regards to a flight. I have already planned my airport arrival, at least for the first leg, and the worst scenario is I have to stare at a screen/book for a bit longer. If the landing is delayed I might need to make amendments to the plans for the rest of the day.
fourwood 5 hours ago||
The complaint is about the visibility of the flight duration (e.g. "this flight will take 1h 50m"), not the landing time (e.g. "this flight will land at 11:25am"). The landing time is prominently displayed in the flight info pane. Knowing your flight duration (gate-to-gate time) is not impacted whatsoever by flight delays, so I think you're conflating these two things inappropriately.
rconti 13 hours ago||||
I think the design is great; my only gripe is it's awful on the iPad mini. But so are Apple apps. They think it makes sense for the side drawer (in portrait mode) to cover half the screen. Which is especially insane in apps with maps where the drawer COVERS THE "YOU ARE HERE" DOT.
nemothekid 13 hours ago||||
>one of the most important pieces of data for a flight, its duration,

What is your use case for Flighty, and why would this information be important at all?

sneak 1 minute ago||
I regularly fly all over the world, and it's nice to know how long my flights are going to be? I'm not always flying direct, and seeing the lengths of the legs and the lengths of the layovers allows me to plan my day and my sleep schedule.
oslem 12 hours ago|||
I use their widgets more than the app itself. They display the most important information I need well imo.
chiefgeek 18 hours ago|
Flighty is a great app. I travel a lot and use it all the time to manage my flights. Highly recommend.
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