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Posted by ssiddharth 10 hours ago

I won't download your app. The web version is a-ok(www.0xsid.com)
810 points | 486 commentspage 5
appsoftware 10 hours ago|
I don't understand it from the app developers point of view. Having to pay app store cuts over basic card processing fees. I understand the appeal of access to a market, like selling on eBay gets you eyeballs. But once you have a customer using their app, what does the app give you that a PWA doesn't unless you need access to specific sensors / file system access patterns etc?
hectdev 10 hours ago||
As an app developer it comes down to the full access to phone APIs and the smoothest app experience. The more biased opinion is rooted in preference for the native language over web languages. And I recognize this is an opinion that is self-preservation in nature but it is what it is.

But I'll also say some apps don't really need to be apps (like ordering food from one specific store) but I won't complain about having those apps if it is a convenience.

rchaud 10 hours ago|||
The vast majority of apps come from companies where the app developer has little to no say in how things work. Amazon, Walmart, Instacart, Uber, Ebay, Shein, etc are certainly not paying Apple 30% for purchases made inside the app. They also operate at a scale where they get bulk rates from MC/Visa on processing fees.
rickdg 10 hours ago|||
For years, Apple has muffled PWAs under a pillow. No one knows that you can add them to your homescreen or how that unlocks the possibility of getting push notifications. You also lose any stored data when you go from Safari to an homescreen web app.
KellyCriterion 10 hours ago|||
I guess this is by intention since with a PWA you would have "near app experience" but for free?
bombcar 9 hours ago|||
How do you add them? I am using https://actualbudget.org as a Safari page, and it works surprisingly well when "off network" - but a button on the home screen would be nicer.
skyberrys 10 hours ago|||
I recently switched for m the developer mindset of build websites for everything to make apps if I can. My logic is that an app never needs to go back and forth with me, it's something the user can have without me managing hosting and constantly having a relationship with the user.
chistev 10 hours ago|||
Don't you need a certain level of convincing for the average person to use a PWA?
bombcar 10 hours ago||
Lock-in - and not even some evil thing; just if you're used to using the eBay app you're less likely to go somewhere else.

I think it's somewhat misguided, but companies gonna company.

parpfish 9 hours ago||
On one hand, I don’t know why startups make apps. It requires more devs and keeping everything at parity is tough with desktop, iOS, android, mobile web. Seems pragmatic to just simplify and use web.

But on the other hand, I’d love to pay you $0.99 if it meant I could get an ad free version of your little widget and I’m not sure how to do that easily with web

ArchieScrivener 10 hours ago||
Stop asking me for access to my contacts, microphone, location, or permission to send me 5 kinds of useless notifications.
mancerayder 5 hours ago||
I can't type on a smartphone. Even as I wrote this, c became a space, the word space started each time with an a, etc.

But on a keyboard I type hella fast.

Now, I also hate creating account after account, having all these applications needing to be installed with ads in them that I can't block or some permissions that I don't think it needs. F that.

tannedNerd 10 hours ago||
This also skips over with some hand waving that a lot of mobile app uses cases simply can’t be replicated with web sites. Take gps or smart home control as two easy of the top of my head example the author skipped too.

Also the fact that people here would rather have their info stored in the cloud vs local on device is interesting.

ssiddharth 10 hours ago|
I do mention cases where the browser model doesn't work, like accessing Lidar sensors. Just didn't want to bloat the post with too many examples. But I totally agree with you on this front: not everything can be done as a PWA.
OptionOfT 4 hours ago||
The web version would be a-ok if it wasn't artificially blocking me from consuming it when on mobile, like Yelp.

Or it's full of annoying popups to use the app, looking at you, Google.

gonzalohm 8 hours ago||
I would be fine having an app for everything if:

1. Phone storage wasn't paid at an absurdly premium price. Sometimes the option with just higher storage may be $300 more.

2. High speed Internet was available cheaply everywhere.

If I'm in a town in the middle of nowhere. I'm not going to use my expensive data plan (because in the US mobile data is extremely expensive compared to EU) To download a 500Mb app that will take 5 minutes to download because the Internet is slow just to pay for parking

jeroenhd 7 hours ago|
For some reason, app sizes seem to have exploded, but especially on iPhones. Maybe it's the fact cheap Androids are still being used but I was surprised to find out how many 50MB Android apps were in 200MB iPhone apps.

When it took ages to download the same app to my work iPhone as I was downloading to my normal Android I thought there was something wrong with the iPhone at first, but it was literally spending five times the data to download what seemed to be an identical app.

There's something to be said for downloading a 50MiB app to save yourself from downloading 1MiB every time you pull out the website, but with modern app sizes, things are getting ridiculous.

pitbred 9 hours ago||
We're all here debating the friction of downloading apps versus the convenience of the mobile web, but we might be missing the bigger picture. Both are UI-heavy paradigms designed for humans to click things. In a few years, we won't care if a service has a slick React app or a native iOS build. We’ll just tell our AI agents: 'Book that flight' or 'Fix my billing issue,' and they’ll talk to the APIs directly. The era of 'interfaces for humans' is peaking; the era of 'headless services for agents' is just beginning. Interfaces are becoming a legacy tax.
threatofrain 9 hours ago||
Explanation and summarization without visual interactables is so much harder to do. A person can talk to an interface but I don't know how many people would like natural language back.
madeofpalk 9 hours ago||
Maybe. You’ll need to overcome DoorDash not wanting to give up the UI as a chance to upsell services.
pitbred 9 hours ago||
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chistev 10 hours ago||
My Google Chrome app is by far the most used app on my phone. If you catch me at a random moment on my phone, chances are I'm on Chrome.

Sometimes the mobile app experience is better than the mobile browser for me, though. Examples are Twitter, Spotify, Upwork, Google Keep Notes.

If I'm on my computer I don't even download the apps, I just use the browser. It just feels more convenient.

I haven't thought much about why they all feel good on my laptop browser while some apps offer better experience on mobile.

Edit: It's also why I keep procrastinating on getting into mobile app development. I just generally prefer web experience. With some exceptions as already stated here.

chistev 8 hours ago|
I take back my comment on Twitter being better on mobile apps. I just tried it on my mobile browser and it doesn't have that stupid bug (feature?) where you leave the detail page of a tweet and the app automatically takes you to the top and you miss where you were initially.
beardyw 10 hours ago|
There is also the lack of support for bookmarks. I value the ability to reach a part I am interested in quickly.

When Chrome started supporting PWAs you couldn't bookmark the content at all. They seem to have fixed that now.

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