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Posted by rrreese 19 hours ago

Backblaze has stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders and maybe others(rareese.com)
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domador 3 hours ago|
I was similarly upset and also dropped Carbonite over 15 years ago over something along these lines. Backup services should be agnostic about the data they back up for their customers.
patates 18 hours ago||
I think this should not be attributed to malice, however unfortunate. I had also developed some sync app once and onedrive folders were indeed problematic, causing cyclic updates on access and random metadata changes for no explicit reason.

Complete lack of communication (outside of release notes, which nobody really reads, as the article too states) is incompetence and indeed worrying.

Just show a red status bar that says "these folders will not be backed up anymore", why not?

eviks 17 hours ago|
What’s worse, random metadata change or a completely missing data?
patates 15 hours ago||
If the constant meta changes (or other peculiarities involving those folders) make the sync unusable, then it can be both. In that case, you stop syncing and communicate.

So my idea is that it's a competency problem (lack of communication), not malice. But it's just a theory, based on my own experience.

In any case, this is a bad situation, however you look at it.

venzaspa 17 hours ago||
On the topic of backing up data from cloud platforms such as Onedrive, I suspect this is stop the client machine from actively downloading 'files on demand' which are just pointers in explorer until you go to open them.

If you've got huge amounts of files in Onedrive and the backup client starts downloading everyone of them (before it can reupload them again) you're going to run into problems.

But ideally, they'd give you a choice.

einr 16 hours ago||
This is a pain, to be sure, but surely there is some sort of logic you could implement to detect whether a file is a Real File that actually exists on the device (if so, back it up) or a pointer to the cloud (ignore it by default, probably, but maybe provide a user setting to force it to back up even these)
yangm97 15 hours ago||
It used to be the case that placeholder files were very obvious but now OneDrive and iCloud (possibly others) work more like an attached network storage with some local cache, and that was a good move for most programs because back then a file being evicted from storage looked like a file deletion.
simplyinfinity 16 hours ago||
Came here to say this. Files in OneDrive get removed from your local storage and are downloaded ON DEMAND. given that you can have 1TB+ onedrive folder, backblaze downloading all of that is gonna throttle your connection and fill up your disk real fast.
NetMageSCW 13 hours ago||
No reason for that to be true.
philjohn 13 hours ago||
For those looking for something at a decent price for up to 5TB, take a look at JottaCloud, which is supported by rclone, and then you can layer restic on top for a complete backup solution.

JottaCloud is "unlimited" for $11.99 a month (your upload speed is throttled after 5TB).

I've been using them for a few years for backing up important files from my NAS (timemachine backups, Immich library, digitised VHS's, Proxmox Backup Server backups) and am sitting at about 3.5TB.

Vingdoloras 16 hours ago||
Unrelated to the main point, and probably too late to matter, but you can access repo activity logs via Github's API. I had to clean up a bad push before and was able to find the old commit hash in the logs, then reset the branch to that commit, similarly to how you'd fix local messes using reflog.
yard2010 15 hours ago||
Use restic with resticprofile and you won't need anything else. Point it to a Hetzner storagebox, the best value you can get. Don't trust fisher price backup plans
hiisukun 15 hours ago||
I think the target of the anger here should be (at least in part): OneDrive.

My understanding is that a modern, default onedrive setup will push all your onedrive folder contents to the cloud, but will not do the same in reverse -- it's totally possible to have files in your cloud onedrive, visible in your onedrive folder, but that do not exist locally. If you want to access such a file, it typically gets downloaded from onedrive for you to use.

If that's the case, what is Backblaze or another provider to do? Constantly download your onedrive files (that might have been modified on another device) and upload them to backblaze? Or just sync files that actually exist locally? That latter option certainly would not please a consumer, who would expect the files they can 'see' just get magically backed up.

It's a tricky situation and I'm not saying Backblaze handled it well here, but the whole transparent cloud storage situation thing is a bit of a mess for lots of people. If Dropbox works the same way (no guaranteed local file for something you can see), that's the same ugly situation.

SOLAR_FIELDS 15 hours ago||
Most have pointed out that the OneDrive exclusion makes sense due to its complexity. But I see no one here defending the undocumented .git exclusion. That’s pretty egregious - if I’m backing up that directory it’s always 100% intentional and it definitely feels like a sacrifice to the product functionality for stability and performance. Not documenting it just twists the knife.
NetMageSCW 13 hours ago||
If you want to access your file, it gets downloaded. If Backblaze wants to check if your file has been changed, it doesn’t need to have the file downloaded - that’s what modification time is for. And file size.
basilgohar 16 hours ago||
This is really disturbing to hear as I've incorporated B2 into a lot of my flow for backups as well as a storage backend for Nextcloud and planned as the object store for some upcoming archival storage products I'm working on.

I know the post is talking about their personal backup product but it's the same company and so if they sneak in a reduction of service like this, as others have already commented, it erodes difficult-to-earn trust.

e40 16 hours ago|
I had issues with the personal backup product and was told the solution was to create a new account. I moved to Wasabi immediately using rclone.

On macOS.

herf 10 hours ago||
Both Dropbox and OneDrive default to "online first" for most users (including Dropbox on macOS which has moved itself into File Provider). It is a technically sound and sane default for Backblaze to ignore these mounts, especially given their policy not to backup network drives. They really should have informed legacy users about it.

Technically speaking, imagine you're iterating over a million files, and some of them are 1000x slower than the others, it's not Backblaze's fault that things have gone this way. Avoiding files that are well-known network mount points is likely necessary for them to be reliable at what they do for local files.

It's important to recognize that these new OS-level filesystem hooks are slow and inefficient - the use case is opening one file and not 10,000 - and this means that things you might want to do (like recursive grep) are now unworkably slow if they don't fit in some warmed-up cache on your device.

To fix it, Backblaze would need a "cloud to cloud" backup that is optimized for that access pattern, or a checkbox (or detection system) for people who manage to keep a full local mirror in a place where regular files are fast. This is rapidly becoming a less common situation. I do, however, think that they should have informed people about the change.

tomkaos 16 hours ago|
I’ve been using it for years, and the one time I needed to restore a file, I realized that VMware VMs files were excluded from the backup. They are so many exclusion that I start doing physical backup again.
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