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Posted by ColinWright 13 hours ago

Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)(hex.ooo)
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Procrastes 12 hours ago|
I remember the first time I heard this story. I was maybe 7 at a planetarium and they animated it with music little hand drawn starships and retro computers floating among the stars. They turned the stars all out for the final scene.
jjoonathan 11 hours ago|
Outer Wilds vibes! I love it!

(It's a video game that does a brilliant job touching on similar themes to The Last Question. If you liked The Last Question and can fit a video game into your life, you will probably like Outer Wilds. Warning: if you start searching for "outer wilds," the algorithm will aggressively try to spoil you. Progression in the game is gated behind knowledge, so this is worse than usual. If you have trouble resisting the temptation to google past a rough description, it's a sign you should just jump in and play it. End recommendation.)

BeetleB 10 hours ago|||
(No real spoilers in my comment):

Great game, but if you get stuck for a long time, just look up some spoilers. Multiple times I abandoned the "right" approach to a problem because I couldn't get it to work and wasted countless hours trying to solve it the wrong way - only to find out I should have stuck to the right approach.

The game doesn't give any guidance, and wasting those hours is not rewarded.

The only other tip I'll give:

When you first play the game, spend the first 1-2 hours on your little planet learning everything (how to maneuver, how to use the signalscope, etc). Once you leave the planet, a timer will start. There is no way to "save" the game. You will die when the timer runs out. Don't panic. That's expected. Don't try to figure out what you did wrong to die - you will die no matter what. The game will restart, but anything you learned in the past will be in your computer's memory for retrieval.

OK, 2 more tips (one I wish someone had told me - I finished the game without it):

1. You can make time go by if you sleep at the fire.

2. There is a way to "meditate" until you die. This is very useful when you get stuck and can't get out of somewhere. To find out how to meditate, talk to the people on other planets (you may have to talk more than once before he teaches you).

That's all I'll say.

ghssds 7 hours ago||
> (No real spoilers in my comment):

> Proceed to spoil the whole game

BeetleB 6 hours ago||
What did I spoil? That you keep dying? They'll encounter that very early in the game. And if you look around, you'll see that quite a few quit the game because they didn't understand that dying is normal.

The lack of knowledge about the other two items I mentioned are also reasons people stopped playing the game. If you don't know them, the game becomes an incredible drag. Even I would have quit if I didn't know about meditation.

kelnos 42 minutes ago|||
I haven't played the game, was interested in it (I've heard of it before, just haven't gotten around to playing it yet), and I was a bit bummed to read about this unusual game mechanic without discovering for myself.
fwipsy 6 hours ago|||
You revealed the central conceit of the game. In my opinion, discovering that is an important part of the experience of playing the game, even if it's very early, and even though I did find it initially frustrating. The Steam page doesn't reveal that, and they have an incentive to make the Steam page fairly revealing in order to sell you on the game.
BeetleB 4 hours ago||
I'm literally one of those people who almost gave up on the game because I didn't understand that dying is normal.

The fact that the game would start all over each time made me think I hadn't progressed enough to save the game. And because the first time round, the timer doesn't really begin until you leave space, I thought I would have to do all the training (jetpack, etc) each time. I remember being very frustrated - I had spent well over an hour playing it and it didn't even save the game?

And felt the same thing the second time round.

Then I abandoned the game for about a year. The only reason I returned to it was because I couldn't understand why so many would like such a game. So I finally searched online on how to save the game and ... oh, that's why.

As I said, look on various forums, and you'll see plenty of people quitting the game early because they didn't understand this. There's a whole thread on the subreddit on frustrations of players who recommended the game to friends - a significant percentage quit the game before they got to any of the interesting parts.

I think revealing this is a decent compromise to ensure people will actually play the game.

rationalist 10 hours ago||||
Just doing a simple internet search for the name to see how to get it, brings up descriptions about how after X time, Y happens. Is that a spoiler?

If so, please let us know so that other people do not get spoiled, and can you provide a link or links to the game that doesn't spoil it?

Thank you!

demurgos 10 hours ago|||
This is a standalone game that needs to be purchased. For PC, it can be acquired through Steam (https://store.steampowered.com/app/753640/Outer_Wilds/). It is also available on consoles, it is not available on mobile. It is playable with keyboard and mouse, but it was primarily created with a game controller in mind.

At it's core, it's a game about exploration to understand what's happening. I recommend looking around and being curious to enjoy it, and avoid rushing. It's my favorite game.

To give you an estimate, I completed the base game with all secrets in about 20-30h. There's also a DLC called "Echoes of Eyes" adding a new area to explore. In total, I spent 45h to fully complete the game.

rationalist 10 hours ago||
Thank you, I just bought Outer Wilders: Archeologist Edition for Nintendo Switch, which appears to be the base game plus the expansion.
BeetleB 10 hours ago|||
After X time, you will die.

There, I said it. The reason I say it openly is because I almost quit the game not understanding that this is supposed to happen.

Not really much of a spoiler.

monsieurbanana 11 hours ago|||
I... Think you just spoiled me. Somehow I've managed to avoid all information about it so far, but now that you said it's like the last question...

It's on me for procrastinating playing the game for so long, it was bound to happen.

jjoonathan 11 hours ago|||
"Similar" is doing substantial work. If this is your only clue, it is likely to mislead you for at least 50% of the game, and I strongly suspect you will have fun anyway :)
SAI_Peregrinus 9 hours ago||||
IMO it's a good enough game that you could read the entire plot summary and it'd still be a good story & fun game to play. Much like how you can re-read an Agatha Christie novel & still enjoy it, the best stories are spoiler-proof because even when there's a "twist" that "twist" isn't as important to the quality as the rest of the work.
cdelsolar 11 hours ago|||
this sorta comes up very very early in the game tho
sebg 12 hours ago||
Lots of good comments over the years -> https://hn.algolia.com/?q=%09Isaac+Asimov%3A+The+Last+Questi...
msuvakov 3 hours ago||
It’s striking how ending of the story mirrors Roger Penrose’s conformal cyclic cosmology, where the heat death of one universe mathematically resets through conformal scaling to become the big bang of the next.
thatoneengineer 9 hours ago||
If you like this kind of thing, try reading Star Maker by Olaf Stapledon. Similar themes, full novel, even older. It makes for interesting reading in that it more obviously represents a "path not taken" by science fiction (and by science?!) but still has that early-sci-fi spirit of fundamental curiosity.
nahuel0x 9 hours ago|
Seconded, but note some paths were taken (at least partially), as in some way is a meta-book were each paragraph comprises an idea that deserves a full book on its own. Some Stapledon readers were clearly inspired by it, e.g. Dyson spheres were first postulated there, and Borges got the "The Garden of Forking Paths" idea also from it.. and also Virtual Reality (not bad for 1937!) . Asimov was also an Stapledon admirer and he said that Stapledon expanded s.f. to a cosmic scale, so I think that Stapledon influence is also very present in The Last Question.
daveisfera 6 hours ago||
Also recommend The Egg by Andy Weir https://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html
donatj 9 hours ago||
There's a comic of this that circulated a number of years ago that I thoroughly enjoyed.

https://imgur.com/gallery/last-question-9KWrH

ColinWright 8 hours ago|
Ah:

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pcrh 7 hours ago||
Alternate source for the comic:

https://www.behance.net/gallery/102075221/The-Last-Question

utopcell 4 hours ago|||
This is not an alternative source for the comic, it's a whole different comic. Cool!
ColinWright 7 hours ago|||
Thank you ...
bitshiftfaced 12 hours ago||
For a while I thought I really liked sci fi novels and short stories, and maybe that's somewhat true. But I've started wondering if maybe I just liked Asimov's writing in particular. Other writers in the genre are more hit or miss. Can anyone recommend other writers that are on his level?
Arainach 12 hours ago||
Ted Chiang is the greatest living science fiction short story writer I'm aware of, and ranks highly on my all time list.
Darkphibre 11 hours ago|||
His short story "Understand" is just... amazing.

It wasn't until I discovered I was on the spectrum that I realized why it clicked so much. >.< I'm masking all the time, running conversational simulations to anticipate the societally-expected response to any given situation (and am high on the IQ spectrum).

https://web.archive.org/web/20140527121332/http://www.infini...

riffraff 8 hours ago||||
I have only read a few stories by Ted Chiang, but I concur, they were all fantastic.
jperoutek 11 hours ago|||
I second this. Exhalation for some reason really resonates with me.
Froztnova 9 hours ago||
Exhalation is really excellent.

It's not really sci-fi but I also really enjoyed The Merchant And The Alchemist's Gate, and the one about the tower of babel, I forget the name at the moment.

kaiokendev 2 hours ago||
Tower of Babylon

it's brilliant

NetMageSCW 11 hours ago|||
Have you tried Arthur Clarke? I would say he is close to Asimov in many ways, being from the same time.

For others who share some similarities, though with a greater emphasis on character and adventure, perhaps Hal Clement, Larry Niven or Robert L. Forward.

npilk 12 hours ago|||
It's not "sci fi" but you should read Borges' short stories, particularly from Ficciones.

You may have already read his story The Library of Babel: https://sites.evergreen.edu/politicalshakespeares/wp-content...

shivaniShimpi_ 12 hours ago|||
ted chiang if you haven't already. story of your life, exhalation, the lifecycle of software objects. same thing asimov does where the sci fi premise is really just a frame for a very human question. except chiang does it in like 30 pages and you feel it for a week
jakeinspace 12 hours ago|||
Stanislaw Lem, if you can handle something a little more poetic and less strictly hard sci-fi.
NickDouglas 12 hours ago|||
Try "The Illustrated Man" by Ray Bradbury, but skip the terrible frame story. The actual short stories are beautiful literature and canonical sci-fi.
NetMageSCW 11 hours ago||
As someone who loves the Big Three (Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein) and have read a lot of SF, I pretty much despise Bradbury. There’s no science in his science fiction.
BeetleB 10 hours ago||
Not much in many of Heinlein's either. Or in Star Wars.
NetMageSCW 6 hours ago|||
Early Heinlein e.g. Have Spacesuit - Will Travel, Farmer In The Sky, The Rolling Stones or for non-juveniles, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress have lots of science.

Later works, less so.

krapp 10 hours ago|||
Or even Star Trek to be honest. I don't know why Star Wars always gets passed off as "science fantasy" when it's a more grounded universe than Trek by far - space wizards notwithstanding (which Trek has plenty of.)

Even in a lot of hard SF, a lot of the science is wonky if it falls outside of the author's special interest or area of expertise. Relevant to Asimov, the only reason robots have "positronic" brains in his stories is that positrons were a new discovery at the time and it sounded cool and futuristic to him.

BeetleB 10 hours ago||
As a Trekkie, fair point. I think Star Trek does fall into the "speculative fiction" category, but Star Wars doesn't. It's just "space opera".
krapp 4 hours ago||
Space opera is still a subset of speculative fiction and science fiction, saying "just" dismisses its influence on the genre as a whole.

A lot of classic science fiction is basically "x with spaceships" where x is the Napoleonic Wars, or feudal Europe or the Wild West or what have you, and the "science" is little more than set dressing.

BeetleB 1 hour ago||
> saying "just" dismisses its influence on the genre as a whole.

Well, it was meant to be parsed as:

Star Trek is speculative fiction and space opera.

Star Wars is just space opera.

Some space opera is also speculative fiction, but I wouldn't say it is a subset. I wouldn't call some space opera stories speculative fiction at all.

They're all classified as science fiction.

(Yes, yes - there is no consensus on these terms...typically science fiction is considered a subset of speculative fiction, and here I inverted a lot of things).

Esn024 11 hours ago|||
I think Brian Daley's books have a somewhat similar feel as Asimov's, particularly "Requiem for a Ruler of Worlds" and its sequels.

I also find C.J.Cherryh's books to be often quite interesting.

Asimov really did have a knack for clear, deceptively simple writing that isn't all that common.

phkahler 12 hours ago|||
>> But I've started wondering if maybe I just liked Asimov's writing in particular.

A less commonly mentioned Asimov book that I really enjoyed and will read again is "The End of Eternity". If you've not read it, the ending is IMHO amazing and unique.

Last Question reminds me of it because of the style.

sjg1729 11 hours ago||
I was also quite fond of Palimpsest by Stross. It’s a retelling of EoE but a more modern treatment (and the writing is quite a bit better, IMO)
riffraff 8 hours ago|||
perhaps Fredric Brown? He and Asimov were in my primary school reading anthology, and I will never thank enough the people who put the book together.

Also, I am not sure he's translated in English, but Sessanta Racconti[0] by Dino Buzzati is high on my list of fantastic short stories (not sci-fi, just.. I don't know).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sessanta_racconti

robrain 12 hours ago|||
Becky Chambers - Wayfarer series and several enjoyable short stories/novellas. Low on blasters, high on sentient life in all its many forms.
robrain 7 hours ago||
I know you can’t comment on modding - but seriously, someone voted me down because they don’t like a literary suggestion? Tough crowd.
boxed 12 hours ago|||
I mean.. a genre can't be all hits, that makes no sense :P

If you want good sci-fi a good list can be:

- Ender's Game

- The Martian + Project Hail Mary

- A Fire Upon the Deep

- Dune

comicjk 12 hours ago|||
A Fire Upon The Deep is a fantastic novel for programmers to read, and I think the prequel A Deepness In The Sky is even better. There are some amazing old-school coding jokes in there, like that everyone thinks the universal time counter started at the first moon landing, but programmer archaeologists know it was really 15 megaseconds later.
mwigdahl 11 hours ago||||
Neal Stephenson's work is outstanding in my opinion, although some find it polarizing. My favorite of his is _Anathem_, followed closely by _Seveneves_.

Iain Banks's science fiction novels (mostly set in the Culture, but he does have others) are also great.

NetMageSCW 6 hours ago||
How can you not mention Snow Crash?

And yes to the Culture.

rationalist 12 hours ago||||
The Expanse series starting with Leviathan Wakes.

(I second Ender's Game, The Martian, and Project Hail Mary.)

xeonmc 11 hours ago||||
Though Dune is highly acclaimed for its concepts, I couldn’t quite get into it personally.

They’re just too dry for my tastes.

baq 12 hours ago|||
- Hyperion
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quentindanjou 12 hours ago||
I wasn't expecting to find my favorite short-story on HN today! That's a pleasant surprise! This is how I started my journey in reading Isaac Asimov, I really recommend it!
larrykluger 12 hours ago||
A classic. It was dramatized by the Rochester NY, USA Museum of Science as a planetarium show, and I saw it there about 1974 with my father. Great times.
breuleux 11 hours ago|
> How may entropy be reversed?

Considering AC could persist indefinitely in hyperspace while interacting with normal matter, the answer would appear to be "hyperspace", whatever that is.

mock-possum 8 hours ago|
“Build god, then we’ll talk.”
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