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Posted by hn_acker 11 hours ago

Ban the sale of precise geolocation(www.lawfaremedia.org)
563 points | 157 commentspage 2
sciencesama 2 hours ago|
instead buy it and show the horror things ! may be focus on politicians who can be swayed with this data !
pnw 7 hours ago||
The examples show Android devices. How does Webloc track iOS devices given Apple doesn't allow unique IDs and allows the user to disable the ad ID? I wish these articles would go into a bit more detail for the technical reader.
victor22 4 hours ago||
You cannot regulate anything anymore, everything is geotracked, be real
lifeisstillgood 9 hours ago||
There needs to be a believeable legal framework behind this.

Imagine a option on your iPhone that says “Enable this to allow geo-location tracking for organisations registered under the NOADSJUSTPUBLICGOOD Act” - then any wifi endpoint could locate you as long based on signal strength etc and that data could only be made available to people registered under the act.

Would we see new understanding of how people move around in cities, would we see better traffic information, Inthink so - as long as people believe that there are real teeth to the laws and they enforced loudly and publically.

We should embrace the benefits of a society wide epidemiology experiment - the benefits for public health are incredible. (Add to that supply chain logistics on open ledgers and many of the new things that just were not possible before and the future of open transparent but well regulated democracies is bright.

Let me know if you spot one.

kidnoodle 8 hours ago||
I had a theory that the way to solve this was a location intelligence data union which sold safely anonymised aggregates and shared the profits, while also litigating on behalf of members under available legislation to stop other people using their data.

Alas, I was stymied by not having any cash to work on it, and the unit economics were not very VC friendly (at least I assume that’s one of the reasons why I didn’t get any traction from VCs).

Terr_ 6 hours ago||
"Get consent first" hasn't worked because the average consumer can't give informed consent to the kind of stuff going on behind the scenes.

What about: "If something bad happens because of the data your company shared or lost, it is criminally and financially liable?"

atmosx 6 hours ago|
Both make sense. Depends on who you want to protect.
Eextra953 10 hours ago||
Does anyone know of any groups that are organizing and lobbying to get things like this into law? I know about the EFF but they seem to be more focused on documenting and reporting instead of lobbying and getting things passed.
Cider9986 9 hours ago||
Restore the fourth, Brennan Center, EPIC, Freedom of the press foundation.
dminor 10 hours ago||
Senator Wyden has been pretty focused on it. I think it's going to take some changes in Congress before it happens though.
Cider9986 9 hours ago||
Massie and McGovern in the house as well.
eptcyka 6 hours ago||
I want geolocation to not be sold. Yet, I do not believe we have been successful in banning the sale of cocaine and elephant tusks. What makes us think this will be an easier problem to solve?
lionkor 6 hours ago|
People get arrested for running large cocaine operations, that's the difference.
titzer 10 hours ago||
These people really have no idea at the level of data collection from Google's rootkit on Android known as "Google Play Services".
glitchc 10 hours ago|
How about we just ban the collection of precise geolocation? Wouldn't that be a better solution?
davebren 10 hours ago||
You can have legitimate use cases where it's a core functionality of the application to store it, so the user obviously knows it's being collected and agrees by using it.
foresto 33 minutes ago||
Storage accessible only to the user is usually not what we mean when we say data collection.
Mithriil 10 hours ago|||
I would expect such a law to be lobbied to death.
warkdarrior 8 hours ago||
So you want to ban all mapping apps and all fitness apps?
ssl-3 5 hours ago||
Nothing external needs my precise location to navigate with a map. An approximate location is sufficient to deliver to my device a map of an area I'm in, and of the overall route, and all of the details that are useful for navigation.

Fitness apps can be local. We have pocket supercomputers; certainly, we don't need help from the clown to keep track of how far (or how energetically) we biked or walked today, or where that took place.

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